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You are trying to project the varna system and vedas are preaching good things but only the implementation is bad. That is not true. Division of laborers(not la

You are trying to project the varna system and vedas are preaching good things but only the implementation is bad. That is not true. Division of laborers(not labour) and enforing them over the generations even if you don't believe in karma is baked in to the core philosophy of the vedas. > That is utterly, laughably, ridiculously false. I can't believe someone with even a modicum of intelligence would say that. Citiation please. Britishers primary goal is colonization. Missionaries came much later and they did not interfere with the education system.

triyambakam 6y ago
> and enforing them over the generations How many times do I need to repeat that the Vedas do not say this? Apparently you will never understand. According to the Vedas, one's varna dharma is independent of one's family. I've said this in every single post in this thread. The Vedas declare that one's varna dharma does not depend on in which family one has been born. One's varna dharma according to the Vedas is not dependent on one's family. I suspect based on your username (John) and your use of "Britisher" that you're a Christian in India, which is likely why you continue to spread ignorance and idiocy about the Vedas.
- john4532452 6y ago
  > According to the Vedas, one's varna dharma is independent of one's family. I've said this in every single post in this thread. Yet, every time you have been wrong((https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/4104 https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/4104). What vedas says about movement of varna is that it is permitted only if it is accepted by other community which is not practical due to the incentive structure i have already explained in my previous reply. The varna conversions are cited only in the stories from the hindu holy books, it is never an independent choice. And the rules are entirely different when it comes to the highest varna in the hierarchy(i.e priest). The priest must volunteer himself to change if he feels for 16 years he has not done the duties according to his varna(NOTE: The pronoun "he" is used intentionally. Because women is considered lower that the bottom of varna system) . Now do you see why the movement b/w varna never happened and not practical. > I suspect based on your username (John) and your use of "Britisher" that you're a Christian in India, which is likely why you continue to spread ignorance I am born to Hindu family, but i am an atheist turned antagonistic. My motivation is to make logical conversation and convince that getting rid of varna system is better for India and not undo the progress. > your use of "Britisher" What do you mean by this ?

triyambakam 6y ago

> and enforing them over the generations How many times do I need to repeat that the Vedas do not say this? Apparently you will never understand. According to the Vedas, one's varna dharma is independent of one's family. I've said this in every single post in this thread. The Vedas declare that one's varna dharma does not depend on in which family one has been born. One's varna dharma according to the Vedas is not dependent on one's family. I suspect based on your username (John) and your use of "Britisher" that you're a Christian in India, which is likely why you continue to spread ignorance and idiocy about the Vedas.

john4532452 6y ago
> According to the Vedas, one's varna dharma is independent of one's family. I've said this in every single post in this thread. Yet, every time you have been wrong((https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/4104 https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/4104). What vedas says about movement of varna is that it is permitted only if it is accepted by other community which is not practical due to the incentive structure i have already explained in my previous reply. The varna conversions are cited only in the stories from the hindu holy books, it is never an independent choice. And the rules are entirely different when it comes to the highest varna in the hierarchy(i.e priest). The priest must volunteer himself to change if he feels for 16 years he has not done the duties according to his varna(NOTE: The pronoun "he" is used intentionally. Because women is considered lower that the bottom of varna system) . Now do you see why the movement b/w varna never happened and not practical. > I suspect based on your username (John) and your use of "Britisher" that you're a Christian in India, which is likely why you continue to spread ignorance I am born to Hindu family, but i am an atheist turned antagonistic. My motivation is to make logical conversation and convince that getting rid of varna system is better for India and not undo the progress. > your use of "Britisher" What do you mean by this ?