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Are we now making the argument that different cultures and histories are capable of producing unequal outcomes? Because if that's what we're talking about, then

Are we now making the argument that different cultures and histories are capable of producing unequal outcomes? Because if that's what we're talking about, then I don't have any disagreement. Nigerian and West Indian immigrants, for example, are among the most successful immigrant groups in the country, and among the most well-educated. Their blackness is not an obstacle in securing positions at universities or employment, because blackness is not the obstacle. In almost every university or large employment opportunity, their blackness works actively in their favor. Compare this with Asian immigrants, and you are now getting to the sort of comparison that I'm making.

wutbrodo 7y ago
It's really astonishing how far you went out of your way to clarify the narrow comparison you're making, and how many words were written in response to claims you didn't make. Or, it would be astonishing if it wasn't typical of the lack of rigor or critical thinking ability that tends to dominate one side of such conversations...
- wutlol 7y ago
  Reminds me of 4chans subtly racist edgy posts. reddit posts reveal a lot about him, in an attempt to abide by the HN keep it civil guidelines I’ll let you come to the conclusion yourself. Some notable ones Oh look 4chan https://www.reddit.com/r/classic4chan/comments/1h6a2m/comment/cb0wprm https://www.reddit.com/r/classic4chan/comments/1h6a2m/commen... Let’s see what else https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1fbrlv/eli5_why_is_blackface_offensive/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1fbrlv/e... Hmm? Can we really expect someone who doesn’t understand why blackface is offensive to understand what it’s like to be black in America ? What else https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/fceoxl/the_meme_phrases_its_okay_to_be_white_and_islam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/fceoxl/th... Hmm, edgy meme lord? Or racist/sexist ? Look Ralusek man, we can see past the bullshit. You’re not fooling anyone by trying to pass your racism against blacks and Hispanics while trying to cover it by saying you care about the struggles Asians minorities, you know the “model” minorities. Edit:Hmm, those are some fast negative karma, how many accounts are you running on here Ralusek? Honestly I’d really like mods to look into this, this seems like brigading, there’s are a clear agenda here and fast reaction to any posts trying to refute his claims
ceilingcorner 7y ago
I fear we may be talking past each other. 1. Affirmative action was designed to benefit African-Americans, that is: the descendants of African slaves brought to the US centuries ago. This is a separate cultural group from recent black immigrants from Nigeria, the West Indies, or other African countries. 2. The percentage of immigrant Africans is also tiny in comparison to the descendants of slaves. So using them as an example to disprove the idea that there is discrimination against black people, is again, not really relevant. In any case, the problems probably arise from the basing of affirmative action decisions on race/skin color and not cultural background. I don't know if this is a really a solvable problem, but blankety stating that "Asian people have it worse than Black people in America" is so blatantly wrong that I have to call you out on it.
- goatinaboat 7y ago
  So using them as an example to disprove the idea that there is discrimination against black people, is again, not really relevant This would be true only if you were able to tell at a glance which black people are descendants of slaves and which are more recent arrivals. Do you claim to have this ability? Do you claim that this ability is widespread enough to be representative?
- DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
  To point 2, nearly half of black students admitted to Ivy League schools are from African immigrant families. And of those who are descended from American slaves, I'm sure an analysis of their family socioeconomic background would show they're fairly well off, in general. The problem with affirmative action policies is that they end up benefiting a small social layer of mostly well-off black people, and that they do almost nothing for the vast majority of black people. But because affirmative action costs almost nothing to implement, it's an easy policy that many people support. A real policy that addresses poverty is what is needed, not an arbitrary boost for college admissions based on skin color.

wutbrodo 7y ago

It's really astonishing how far you went out of your way to clarify the narrow comparison you're making, and how many words were written in response to claims you didn't make. Or, it would be astonishing if it wasn't typical of the lack of rigor or critical thinking ability that tends to dominate one side of such conversations...

wutlol 7y ago
Reminds me of 4chans subtly racist edgy posts. reddit posts reveal a lot about him, in an attempt to abide by the HN keep it civil guidelines I’ll let you come to the conclusion yourself. Some notable ones Oh look 4chan https://www.reddit.com/r/classic4chan/comments/1h6a2m/comment/cb0wprm https://www.reddit.com/r/classic4chan/comments/1h6a2m/commen... Let’s see what else https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1fbrlv/eli5_why_is_blackface_offensive/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1fbrlv/e... Hmm? Can we really expect someone who doesn’t understand why blackface is offensive to understand what it’s like to be black in America ? What else https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/fceoxl/the_meme_phrases_its_okay_to_be_white_and_islam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/fceoxl/th... Hmm, edgy meme lord? Or racist/sexist ? Look Ralusek man, we can see past the bullshit. You’re not fooling anyone by trying to pass your racism against blacks and Hispanics while trying to cover it by saying you care about the struggles Asians minorities, you know the “model” minorities. Edit:Hmm, those are some fast negative karma, how many accounts are you running on here Ralusek? Honestly I’d really like mods to look into this, this seems like brigading, there’s are a clear agenda here and fast reaction to any posts trying to refute his claims

ceilingcorner 7y ago

I fear we may be talking past each other. 1. Affirmative action was designed to benefit African-Americans, that is: the descendants of African slaves brought to the US centuries ago. This is a separate cultural group from recent black immigrants from Nigeria, the West Indies, or other African countries. 2. The percentage of immigrant Africans is also tiny in comparison to the descendants of slaves. So using them as an example to disprove the idea that there is discrimination against black people, is again, not really relevant. In any case, the problems probably arise from the basing of affirmative action decisions on race/skin color and not cultural background. I don't know if this is a really a solvable problem, but blankety stating that "Asian people have it worse than Black people in America" is so blatantly wrong that I have to call you out on it.

goatinaboat 7y ago
So using them as an example to disprove the idea that there is discrimination against black people, is again, not really relevant This would be true only if you were able to tell at a glance which black people are descendants of slaves and which are more recent arrivals. Do you claim to have this ability? Do you claim that this ability is widespread enough to be representative?
DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
To point 2, nearly half of black students admitted to Ivy League schools are from African immigrant families. And of those who are descended from American slaves, I'm sure an analysis of their family socioeconomic background would show they're fairly well off, in general. The problem with affirmative action policies is that they end up benefiting a small social layer of mostly well-off black people, and that they do almost nothing for the vast majority of black people. But because affirmative action costs almost nothing to implement, it's an easy policy that many people support. A real policy that addresses poverty is what is needed, not an arbitrary boost for college admissions based on skin color.