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Those specific examples are true, but pretty far from the realities that my black friends and family members are most concerned. The academy awards is not the c

Those specific examples are true, but pretty far from the realities that my black friends and family members are most concerned. The academy awards is not the concern, physical safety is. - Want to be able to shop in stores without security guards literally following you around and intimidating you? Better to be Asian. - Want your doctor to take your concerns seriously and prescribe the most appropriate medicine for your condition? Better to be Asian. - Want to not get randomly stopped by police while driving? Better to be Asian. It's not that your reality isn't unfair, but unless you've lived it or really studied the data - you can't underestimate how pervasive and dangerous the discrimination against black people really is. Black people are not just being paranoid when they say they're worried that they could lose their life over these things.

dnautics 6y ago
I agree with you on all counts except I do want to point out that you're wrong about this one: - Want your doctor to take your concerns seriously and prescribe the most appropriate medicine for your condition? Better to be Asian. Being a biochemist I know that my dad was given a statin drug that should typically be at 1/4 strength for Asians. I came to later find out that I am homozygous for an allele which makes exercise more painful if you take that statin. Ironically my dad didn't die of heart disease (he never had high blood pressure) but died of diabetes and lack of exercise instead. Anyways, the medical field is broken because by policy we want to treat everyone the same but in some ways biology skews racist.
- sudosteph 6y ago
  That's an edge case on a particular drug caused by doctors assuming "white as default", which is it's own issue that often does affect Asians, black people, and other minorities too. The problem I was talking about was more about how doctors are less likely to prescribe things like pain medicine or ADHD meds to black people because of presumed criminality and stereotypes. A good portion of doctors legitimately claim that they believe the myth that black people have higher pain tolerance than people of other races: https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-we-fail-black-patient... Black people can also have a problem where doctors assume they are lying about symptoms or being non-compliant with their treatment plan, so if they complain of it not working or of side effects, doctors often don't listen and update the plan of care accordingly. Even in something as straightforward as sharing symptoms of heart disease, doctors were less likely to take their concerns seriously and recommend the necessary diagnostic follow up: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?journal=N+Engl+J+Med&title=The+effect+of+race+and+sex+on+physicians%27+recommendations+for+cardiac+catheterization&author=KA+Schulman&author=JA+Berlin&author=W+Harless&volume=340&publication_year=1999&pages=618-26&pmid=10029647& https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?journal=N+Engl+J+M... In your example, it's a wash. But in my examples, being Asian is still an advantage over being black.
beaunative 6y ago
Asians will not have security guards following them because they are seen as meek rabbits who are not capable of crimes. At the same time, they don't exactly feel so safe because they would be seen as the easier targets for crimes.
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- wutlol 6y ago
  What’s the rate that one visits stores vs being victims of crime? Which of those help potential employment ? Surely someone perceived not being capable of crime benefits vs being expected to commit crimes
  - beaunative 6y ago
    Why compare visiting stores to being victims of crimes? Compare walking down the streets to visiting stores. Compare being victims of crimes to being perpetrator of crimes.
wutlol 6y ago
He posted this on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1fbrlv/eli5_why_is_blackface_offensive/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1fbrlv/e... And this https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/fceoxl/the_meme_phrases_its_okay_to_be_white_and_islam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/fceoxl/th... His talking points are straight out of 4chan, even bringing up how women aren’t attracted to Asian men which is constantly memed on 4chan. Given he included that part I get the feeling that he’s just as racist towards Asians but uses them to undermine minorities in situations like these to play the “look I’m bating for Asian minorities I can’t be racist”

dnautics 6y ago

I agree with you on all counts except I do want to point out that you're wrong about this one: - Want your doctor to take your concerns seriously and prescribe the most appropriate medicine for your condition? Better to be Asian. Being a biochemist I know that my dad was given a statin drug that should typically be at 1/4 strength for Asians. I came to later find out that I am homozygous for an allele which makes exercise more painful if you take that statin. Ironically my dad didn't die of heart disease (he never had high blood pressure) but died of diabetes and lack of exercise instead. Anyways, the medical field is broken because by policy we want to treat everyone the same but in some ways biology skews racist.

sudosteph 6y ago
That's an edge case on a particular drug caused by doctors assuming "white as default", which is it's own issue that often does affect Asians, black people, and other minorities too. The problem I was talking about was more about how doctors are less likely to prescribe things like pain medicine or ADHD meds to black people because of presumed criminality and stereotypes. A good portion of doctors legitimately claim that they believe the myth that black people have higher pain tolerance than people of other races: https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-we-fail-black-patient... Black people can also have a problem where doctors assume they are lying about symptoms or being non-compliant with their treatment plan, so if they complain of it not working or of side effects, doctors often don't listen and update the plan of care accordingly. Even in something as straightforward as sharing symptoms of heart disease, doctors were less likely to take their concerns seriously and recommend the necessary diagnostic follow up: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?journal=N+Engl+J+Med&title=The+effect+of+race+and+sex+on+physicians%27+recommendations+for+cardiac+catheterization&author=KA+Schulman&author=JA+Berlin&author=W+Harless&volume=340&publication_year=1999&pages=618-26&pmid=10029647& https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?journal=N+Engl+J+M... In your example, it's a wash. But in my examples, being Asian is still an advantage over being black.

beaunative 6y ago

Asians will not have security guards following them because they are seen as meek rabbits who are not capable of crimes. At the same time, they don't exactly feel so safe because they would be seen as the easier targets for crimes.

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wutlol 6y ago
What’s the rate that one visits stores vs being victims of crime? Which of those help potential employment ? Surely someone perceived not being capable of crime benefits vs being expected to commit crimes
- beaunative 6y ago
  Why compare visiting stores to being victims of crimes? Compare walking down the streets to visiting stores. Compare being victims of crimes to being perpetrator of crimes.

wutlol 6y ago

He posted this on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1fbrlv/eli5_why_is_blackface_offensive/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1fbrlv/e... And this https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/fceoxl/the_meme_phrases_its_okay_to_be_white_and_islam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/fceoxl/th... His talking points are straight out of 4chan, even bringing up how women aren’t attracted to Asian men which is constantly memed on 4chan. Given he included that part I get the feeling that he’s just as racist towards Asians but uses them to undermine minorities in situations like these to play the “look I’m bating for Asian minorities I can’t be racist”