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If it becomes a condition of employment people will opt in. Just like peeing in a cup.

by ojbyrne 7y ago

walterbell 7y ago
Some would. Some would choose different jobs or jurisdictions.
- pmontra 7y ago
  I won't bet on that for more than a few people. What if they live in a country mandating an app like that to be able to get out of home? And even if that's going to be voluntary, I don't expect many people to move to another state or country or be jobless for more time because of privacy concerns. I mean, they'll be concerned but they'll still install the app when they have to.
  - walterbell 7y ago
    Americans have the option of filing lawsuits. The US attorney general said that the federal government may join lawsuits filed by businesses against states, for constitutional issues. It's not about "privacy" or an "app". It's about core principles upon which countries and states were founded. These principles and laws are not optional. History has many lessons for those who surrender principles. People lost their jobs and much much more.
    - cinquemb 7y ago
      As an american that has avoided jobs, people and now living abroad, I'm willing to subvert, corrupt, and exploit technology by these tech companies against their own employees, owners, useds and teach others around me how to go about doing it if got out of hand (which I think it will eventually). This might diverge from the current tech group think zigiest, and I'm ok with that, because I think these tools should ultimately empower everyone to be able to work together if they chose to do so and accept the fact that some people may not, as apposed to levered by the few against the masses. Because of the asymmetric reach of tech, I think the few like me, have an advantage that most aren't willing to explore the ramifications of. "Freedom ain't free, especially 'round my way"
gorgoiler 7y ago
Testing for criminality by proxy of narcotic abuse, at the start of employment, would sound odd if it didn’t so obviously resemble a power play. I’ve never had one though: what’s the positive story for having urine testing at work? Jobs where you need a real test for criminality (e.g. working with children) outsource crime detection to the government of course. FBI Criminal Justice Information Service et al. Fork lift drivers (even the electric ones \wink) get breathalyzed before a shift. Those seem like the grown up, non-theatre approaches.

If it becomes a condition of employment people will opt in. Just like peeing in a cup.

walterbell 7y ago

Some would. Some would choose different jobs or jurisdictions.

pmontra 7y ago
I won't bet on that for more than a few people. What if they live in a country mandating an app like that to be able to get out of home? And even if that's going to be voluntary, I don't expect many people to move to another state or country or be jobless for more time because of privacy concerns. I mean, they'll be concerned but they'll still install the app when they have to.
- walterbell 7y ago
  Americans have the option of filing lawsuits. The US attorney general said that the federal government may join lawsuits filed by businesses against states, for constitutional issues. It's not about "privacy" or an "app". It's about core principles upon which countries and states were founded. These principles and laws are not optional. History has many lessons for those who surrender principles. People lost their jobs and much much more.
  - cinquemb 7y ago
    As an american that has avoided jobs, people and now living abroad, I'm willing to subvert, corrupt, and exploit technology by these tech companies against their own employees, owners, useds and teach others around me how to go about doing it if got out of hand (which I think it will eventually). This might diverge from the current tech group think zigiest, and I'm ok with that, because I think these tools should ultimately empower everyone to be able to work together if they chose to do so and accept the fact that some people may not, as apposed to levered by the few against the masses. Because of the asymmetric reach of tech, I think the few like me, have an advantage that most aren't willing to explore the ramifications of. "Freedom ain't free, especially 'round my way"

gorgoiler 7y ago

Testing for criminality by proxy of narcotic abuse, at the start of employment, would sound odd if it didn’t so obviously resemble a power play. I’ve never had one though: what’s the positive story for having urine testing at work? Jobs where you need a real test for criminality (e.g. working with children) outsource crime detection to the government of course. FBI Criminal Justice Information Service et al. Fork lift drivers (even the electric ones \wink) get breathalyzed before a shift. Those seem like the grown up, non-theatre approaches.