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The only way something like this would even be useful is if the majority of the population voluntarily downloaded this and opted-in to it. Does anyone think th
by tempsy 7y ago
The only way something like this would even be useful is if the majority of the population voluntarily downloaded this and opted-in to it.
Does anyone think that’s actually realistic? I’m not optimistic.
- ojbyrne 7y agoIf it becomes a condition of employment people will opt in. Just like peeing in a cup.
- walterbell 7y agoSome would. Some would choose different jobs or jurisdictions.
- pmontra 7y agoI won't bet on that for more than a few people. What if they live in a country mandating an app like that to be able to get out of home? And even if that's going to be voluntary, I don't expect many people to move to another state or country or be jobless for more time because of privacy concerns. I mean, they'll be concerned but they'll still install the app when they have to.
- walterbell 7y agoAmericans have the option of filing lawsuits. The US attorney general said that the federal government may join lawsuits filed by businesses against states, for constitutional issues. It's not about "privacy" or an "app". It's about core principles upon which countries and states were founded. These principles and laws are not optional. History has many lessons for those who surrender principles. People lost their jobs and much much more.
- cinquemb 7y agoAs an american that has avoided jobs, people and now living abroad, I'm willing to subvert, corrupt, and exploit technology by these tech companies against their own employees, owners, useds and teach others around me how to go about doing it if got out of hand (which I think it will eventually). This might diverge from the current tech group think zigiest, and I'm ok with that, because I think these tools should ultimately empower everyone to be able to work together if they chose to do so and accept the fact that some people may not, as apposed to levered by the few against the masses. Because of the asymmetric reach of tech, I think the few like me, have an advantage that most aren't willing to explore the ramifications of. "Freedom ain't free, especially 'round my way"
- gorgoiler 7y agoTesting for criminality by proxy of narcotic abuse, at the start of employment, would sound odd if it didn’t so obviously resemble a power play. I’ve never had one though: what’s the positive story for having urine testing at work? Jobs where you need a real test for criminality (e.g. working with children) outsource crime detection to the government of course. FBI Criminal Justice Information Service et al. Fork lift drivers (even the electric ones \wink) get breathalyzed before a shift. Those seem like the grown up, non-theatre approaches.
- GhostVII 7y agoI could imagine a situation where some private events or businesses require you to have a contact tracing app installed in order to go inside. Not sure if that would neccesarily be a good thing (we certainly wouldn't want essential businesses having that requirement), but it could be a reasonable requirement for things like music festivals or something.
- mandelbrotwurst 7y agoYeah, the end of this article made me realize that the people pushing this stuff are going to do it via social pressure around "non-essential" activity - i.e. so, you want to go to a nightclub, but you're not willing to sacrifice a little bit of privacy for the greater good?
- zaroth 7y agoThe mobilization (you could say weaponization) of social pressure campaigns has been, by far, the most impressive thing I’ve observed throughout this entire saga. I don’t mean “impressive” in a good way, but that’s in the eye of the beholder.
- walterbell 7y agoHave you seen "Turn" on Netflix? There was a similar civil-war dynamic in that series as social pressure was mobilized, dividing friends and families. If this keeps up, it could trigger economic migration. Sweden shows a very similar curve to places that shutdown. Some of their rates are higher as expected, since they are time-shifting contagion. But neither their healthcare nor economy has been devastated to the extent of neighbors. The volume and velocity of opportunism in this crisis has been a sight to behold. It will take years to catalog what happened and develop a societal immune system to the large-scale manipulation of entire populations with dubious models and data.
- Existenceblinks 7y agoI'm "pessimistic" that majority of them will do just like they downloaded Tiktok, Facebook, Gmail, Zoom etc.
- tempsy 7y agoIf you don’t understand the difference I can’t help you with that one...
- gremlinsinc 7y agoPeople are desperate right now... I think install the app get $500/month while it's installed, would probably motivate a fuck ton people right now.