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The Snap team has some experience with this, seeing as how 20.04 has released and you still can't move the fricking ~/snap folder. Creating some generically nam

The Snap team has some experience with this, seeing as how 20.04 has released and you still can't move the fricking ~/snap folder. Creating some generically named top-level folder in the users home directory is a straightforward fuck you to all users. Since 2017: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1575053 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1575053

JosephRedfern 7y ago
Yeah. That is what winds me up the most about snap. It is so... obnoxious! Why can’t it be .snap?! Or even better, something xdg compliant?
jeroenhd 7y ago
Dang, that really sucks. I was planning on updating my desktop to 20.04 but after reading about Canonical pushing snaps and now this thread basically claiming that moving or renaming the directory is impossible because what is in my opinion a design flaw in the entire system design, I think I'll switch to Manjaro or Arch for my desktop instead. I am on the rolling releases already but I'm not going to install an LTS version that is so deeply integrated with the distributor while at the same time ignores the directory standards so incredible blatantly.
- mcpeepants 7y ago
  arch is really a pleasure to use on the desktop, especially if you're already comfortable with a rolling release distro.
  - jeroenhd 7y ago
    I agree, I'm using Manjaro on my laptop and it works like a treat. I have read the horror stories of a botched Arch upgrade so I think I'll stick to the slightly-more-stable Manjaro but the ecosystem itself is very nice for the moderately familiar Linux user.
    - eptcyka 7y ago
      I develop software that tries to target as many distros as possible, and I really don't see how Manjaro is in any way better than Arch. Botched upgrades aside, Manjaro is the only distro that couldn't produce a valid iso to boot on KVM/qemu. It has a very weird kernel config, sometimes users don't seem to have modules that are found on literally any other distro. Which is very sad because Arch just works.
      - jeroenhd 7y ago
        In my experience the Manjaro config tends to work better on some of the hardware I've tried it on, requiring less tweaking to get it to run properly. I'll also admit that I can't for the life of me get Arch to properly install with all the tools and features that are normally built-in to desktop environments to work on first boot. I'm sure I can make it work if I give it another try now that I've gotten more used to using Manjaro, but the Arch installation experience is not something I want to go through again any time soon. I understand that most Arch users will want to decide exactly how they set up their system and all, but for my personal (non-work) machine I just want an operating system that works, allows me to mess with the standard Linux stuff and manages to install itself without me holding its hand. I'd much rather tick a box that says "enable full disk encryption" than manually configure cryptsetup and LUKS parameters. It's just too much effort for what I get out of it.
  - nine_k 7y ago
    Void Linux is also great if you're not a fan of systemd.
  - m463 7y ago
    I love arch. I think the (not that bad) manual installation process might keep some folks from installing it, but it makes you learn to choose from the very beginning. After the initial install, update it on your schedule, and install things as you decide they are needed. Ubuntu is the opposite -- install the world, then go madly trying to disable and remove the phone-home, forced-update, bloat. # ps (see pages of stuff you don't need running)
- dzonga 7y ago
  pop os would be good alternative too. since pop os will be on flatpak n apt.
- TylerE 7y ago
  Would you expect anything else from the distro that rammed half-baked versions of systemd, pulseaudio, and unity down users throats?
amaccuish 7y ago
I really wish it had been .snap
guiambros 7y ago
This. Came here to post the same bug. I've been following the thread for the last 3 years, and it's an absolute mess. I feel bad for the maintainers; it must be difficult to deal with all the rude and borderline disrespectful comments -- and particularly for something you're donating your time for free after all. But I must say that the architectural decision of creating a ~/snap was a colossal mistake.
- ric2b 7y ago
  Are they really donating their time, aren't they Canonical employees? Canonical being a company that is paid mostly by companies that use their distro in production?
- Brian_K_White 7y ago
  My response to "it's free" is "Here's a turd. SHUT UP IT'S FREE" It's not an argument. It's freeness is a completely irrelevant property.

JosephRedfern 7y ago

Yeah. That is what winds me up the most about snap. It is so... obnoxious! Why can’t it be .snap?! Or even better, something xdg compliant?

jeroenhd 7y ago

Dang, that really sucks. I was planning on updating my desktop to 20.04 but after reading about Canonical pushing snaps and now this thread basically claiming that moving or renaming the directory is impossible because what is in my opinion a design flaw in the entire system design, I think I'll switch to Manjaro or Arch for my desktop instead. I am on the rolling releases already but I'm not going to install an LTS version that is so deeply integrated with the distributor while at the same time ignores the directory standards so incredible blatantly.

mcpeepants 7y ago
arch is really a pleasure to use on the desktop, especially if you're already comfortable with a rolling release distro.
- jeroenhd 7y ago
  I agree, I'm using Manjaro on my laptop and it works like a treat. I have read the horror stories of a botched Arch upgrade so I think I'll stick to the slightly-more-stable Manjaro but the ecosystem itself is very nice for the moderately familiar Linux user.
  - eptcyka 7y ago
    I develop software that tries to target as many distros as possible, and I really don't see how Manjaro is in any way better than Arch. Botched upgrades aside, Manjaro is the only distro that couldn't produce a valid iso to boot on KVM/qemu. It has a very weird kernel config, sometimes users don't seem to have modules that are found on literally any other distro. Which is very sad because Arch just works.
    - jeroenhd 7y ago
      In my experience the Manjaro config tends to work better on some of the hardware I've tried it on, requiring less tweaking to get it to run properly. I'll also admit that I can't for the life of me get Arch to properly install with all the tools and features that are normally built-in to desktop environments to work on first boot. I'm sure I can make it work if I give it another try now that I've gotten more used to using Manjaro, but the Arch installation experience is not something I want to go through again any time soon. I understand that most Arch users will want to decide exactly how they set up their system and all, but for my personal (non-work) machine I just want an operating system that works, allows me to mess with the standard Linux stuff and manages to install itself without me holding its hand. I'd much rather tick a box that says "enable full disk encryption" than manually configure cryptsetup and LUKS parameters. It's just too much effort for what I get out of it.
- nine_k 7y ago
  Void Linux is also great if you're not a fan of systemd.
- m463 7y ago
  I love arch. I think the (not that bad) manual installation process might keep some folks from installing it, but it makes you learn to choose from the very beginning. After the initial install, update it on your schedule, and install things as you decide they are needed. Ubuntu is the opposite -- install the world, then go madly trying to disable and remove the phone-home, forced-update, bloat. # ps (see pages of stuff you don't need running)
dzonga 7y ago
pop os would be good alternative too. since pop os will be on flatpak n apt.
TylerE 7y ago
Would you expect anything else from the distro that rammed half-baked versions of systemd, pulseaudio, and unity down users throats?

amaccuish 7y ago

I really wish it had been .snap

guiambros 7y ago

This. Came here to post the same bug. I've been following the thread for the last 3 years, and it's an absolute mess. I feel bad for the maintainers; it must be difficult to deal with all the rude and borderline disrespectful comments -- and particularly for something you're donating your time for free after all. But I must say that the architectural decision of creating a ~/snap was a colossal mistake.

ric2b 7y ago
Are they really donating their time, aren't they Canonical employees? Canonical being a company that is paid mostly by companies that use their distro in production?
Brian_K_White 7y ago
My response to "it's free" is "Here's a turd. SHUT UP IT'S FREE" It's not an argument. It's freeness is a completely irrelevant property.