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oh I'm certainly not saying that the system in the US is good by any means, what I'm saying is that it currently is the way I describe it. People (normal peopl

oh I'm certainly not saying that the system in the US is good by any means, what I'm saying is that it currently is the way I describe it. People (normal people, anyway) generally have a lot less say in that system than you seem to think. I don't get to vote on whether or not a major employer offers better pay for physical labor. I don't get to vote on whether or not for-profit schools exist. I don't get to vote on whether or not employers will (consciously or not) discriminate against job applicants who look poor or don't speak eloquently as a result of low-quality education. Hell, I don't even, really, get to write to my congressperson and tell them they should propose a law that would achieve any of that, because I don't have the money and connections to shepherd that bill through congress (i.e., pay bribes). Voting for candidates who will work for change is important, but it's not magic, and it's also not something that people who care about this weren't already doing every time we get the chance.

seneca 7y ago
> I don't get to vote on whether or not a major employer offers better pay for physical labor. Found a company, and pay more for physical labor. Not only will that directly cause it, you will influence the market. Only buy products from companies that pay what you believe are fair wages, if you're unwilling to found a company yourself. > I don't get to vote on whether or not for-profit schools exist. No, but you can found a non-profit school, or donate to them (I do!). > I don't get to vote on whether or not employers will (consciously or not) discriminate against job applicants who look poor or don't speak eloquently as a result of low-quality education. Again, you can hire whoever you want (within legal confines) at your own company. You are not helpless. What you aren't able to do in the US is just force other people to do what you want. Put in the work, create something and show that the approach you believe in is viable, or even superior. Be the change you want to see.

seneca 7y ago

> I don't get to vote on whether or not a major employer offers better pay for physical labor. Found a company, and pay more for physical labor. Not only will that directly cause it, you will influence the market. Only buy products from companies that pay what you believe are fair wages, if you're unwilling to found a company yourself. > I don't get to vote on whether or not for-profit schools exist. No, but you can found a non-profit school, or donate to them (I do!). > I don't get to vote on whether or not employers will (consciously or not) discriminate against job applicants who look poor or don't speak eloquently as a result of low-quality education. Again, you can hire whoever you want (within legal confines) at your own company. You are not helpless. What you aren't able to do in the US is just force other people to do what you want. Put in the work, create something and show that the approach you believe in is viable, or even superior. Be the change you want to see.