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Wine 5.7 Released

51 points by caution 6y ago

tracker1 6y ago
It's really impressive the amount of progress on Wine, specifically in the past 3-5 years. I mostly thank Valve and the gaming community for much of this. Not sure if any of this came out of Google's Stadia. But these efforts really make gaming on Linux more possible. Proton in particular far easier for most than anything that came before. Not everything runs, but Linux on the desktop is definitely a real option for many more people today than even a couple years ago.
- Scaevolus 6y ago
  Stadia doesn't use Wine-- it's Vulkan on Linux directly.
  - tracker1 6y ago
    Thanks... I just know quite a few developments came out of Google's efforts.. and wasn't sure if any of the game studios were using wine to package their games on Stadia, which would still be Linux and Vulkan.
    - MikusR 6y ago
      The only relation of Google and Wine I can find is them paying CodeWeavers to bring Picasa and Photoshop CS2 to Linux, that was 12 years ago.
kinkora 6y ago
preface - I am directing my displeasure at Apple, not the fantastic team at wine for creating this as an open source project. I love wine and it runs fantastically well on both my personal mac and on my fedora workstation. I run a lot of old school engineering apps (think like MIPS simulators) that doesn't run on any other platform so wine makes it easy for me to both be productive at work since I am much more efficient on a command line and allows me to WFH occasionally so that I can spend time with my family. Now my rant - since upgrading to Catalina last week, I've been completely unable to run wine at any way shape and form due to Apple's mandate that all 32bit programs be barred from running on Catalina. Guess what runs exclusively on 32 bit? I tried everything including compiling my own wine64 wrapper but it doesn't work at all since the underlying app is still win32. I know there is a crossover product that works but unfortunately that's not on the cards due to budget issues. Honest question: why is it so hard to get wine32 working on Catalina and why doesn't Catalina have an option to run 32bit apps? Its been out since October 2019 so one will have thought a solution will have surfaced.
- dmitrygr 6y ago
  as crossover is based on wine, why not ask them for the source?
- rgovostes 6y ago
  The last released Macs that were not 64-bit use Intel Core Solo or Intel Core Duo processors, and those haven't been able to upgrade past Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, released over a decade ago in 2009. According to Apple's definitions of "vintage" and "obsolete", this puts these Macs well into the "obsolete" category. The upside to removing 32-bit is shrinking the size of the system, removing complexity, shrinking the testing matrix when modifying system frameworks, etc. The writing has been on the wall for 32-bit apps for a long time, including warning users when launching a 32-bit app that it would cease working, and showing users a list of incompatible software when upgrading to Catalina. App developers were incentivized to release updates to their apps (using 64-bit toolchains that have been available since 2007 and before), and users were given warnings about upgrading if they need 32-bit compatibility. Meanwhile, over the past decade there has been significant improvement in virtualization technologies, which allow you to run 32-bit operating systems with great performance. You can run Windows XP in a VM or WINE in a Docker container (which runs inside a Linux VM on macOS).
  - fredsanford 6y ago
    If only we could have had this conversation for all the software we use over a lifetime and get used to or very productive with... << Hello, Mr/Ms Shoestring Budget software developer in 2003... Could you write your (MIPS simulator, CAD app, VLSI Design System) in 64 bit code so when Goobuntu, Crapple and Microslop remove support for 32 bit apps I'll still be able to use your software? Pretty please? >>
    - tinus_hn 6y ago
      A conversation requires not just a request but also a response. Here it is: << No thanks, we’re not interested in investing effort in making sure you can use our software on operating systems newly released 17 years from now. Please fund our efforts by purchasing a new version once every 10 years. >>
joveian 6y ago
"Beginnings of a USB device driver." I would love to be able to run the manufacturer's program for a data logger and a pulse oximeter under wine. Hopefully this is what they are aiming for (maybe I should try it already?). I'm guessing there are a bunch of devices like this.
lostmsu 6y ago
When should we expect a release for Ubuntu 20.04?
einpoklum 6y ago
Can someone give a few characteristic, uniformed-user-oriented examples of what can be done with Wine 5.7 that was not achievable before? Or of important apps that will now work with Wine?

51 points by caution 6y ago

It's really impressive the amount of progress on Wine, specifically in the past 3-5 years. I mostly thank Valve and the gaming community for much of this. Not sure if any of this came out of Google's Stadia. But these efforts really make gaming on Linux more possible. Proton in particular far easier for most than anything that came before. Not everything runs, but Linux on the desktop is definitely a real option for many more people today than even a couple years ago.

Scaevolus 6y ago
Stadia doesn't use Wine-- it's Vulkan on Linux directly.
- tracker1 6y ago
  Thanks... I just know quite a few developments came out of Google's efforts.. and wasn't sure if any of the game studios were using wine to package their games on Stadia, which would still be Linux and Vulkan.
  - MikusR 6y ago
    The only relation of Google and Wine I can find is them paying CodeWeavers to bring Picasa and Photoshop CS2 to Linux, that was 12 years ago.

kinkora 6y ago

preface - I am directing my displeasure at Apple, not the fantastic team at wine for creating this as an open source project. I love wine and it runs fantastically well on both my personal mac and on my fedora workstation. I run a lot of old school engineering apps (think like MIPS simulators) that doesn't run on any other platform so wine makes it easy for me to both be productive at work since I am much more efficient on a command line and allows me to WFH occasionally so that I can spend time with my family. Now my rant - since upgrading to Catalina last week, I've been completely unable to run wine at any way shape and form due to Apple's mandate that all 32bit programs be barred from running on Catalina. Guess what runs exclusively on 32 bit? I tried everything including compiling my own wine64 wrapper but it doesn't work at all since the underlying app is still win32. I know there is a crossover product that works but unfortunately that's not on the cards due to budget issues. Honest question: why is it so hard to get wine32 working on Catalina and why doesn't Catalina have an option to run 32bit apps? Its been out since October 2019 so one will have thought a solution will have surfaced.

dmitrygr 6y ago
as crossover is based on wine, why not ask them for the source?
rgovostes 6y ago
The last released Macs that were not 64-bit use Intel Core Solo or Intel Core Duo processors, and those haven't been able to upgrade past Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, released over a decade ago in 2009. According to Apple's definitions of "vintage" and "obsolete", this puts these Macs well into the "obsolete" category. The upside to removing 32-bit is shrinking the size of the system, removing complexity, shrinking the testing matrix when modifying system frameworks, etc. The writing has been on the wall for 32-bit apps for a long time, including warning users when launching a 32-bit app that it would cease working, and showing users a list of incompatible software when upgrading to Catalina. App developers were incentivized to release updates to their apps (using 64-bit toolchains that have been available since 2007 and before), and users were given warnings about upgrading if they need 32-bit compatibility. Meanwhile, over the past decade there has been significant improvement in virtualization technologies, which allow you to run 32-bit operating systems with great performance. You can run Windows XP in a VM or WINE in a Docker container (which runs inside a Linux VM on macOS).
- fredsanford 6y ago
  If only we could have had this conversation for all the software we use over a lifetime and get used to or very productive with... << Hello, Mr/Ms Shoestring Budget software developer in 2003... Could you write your (MIPS simulator, CAD app, VLSI Design System) in 64 bit code so when Goobuntu, Crapple and Microslop remove support for 32 bit apps I'll still be able to use your software? Pretty please? >>
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    A conversation requires not just a request but also a response. Here it is: << No thanks, we’re not interested in investing effort in making sure you can use our software on operating systems newly released 17 years from now. Please fund our efforts by purchasing a new version once every 10 years. >>

joveian 6y ago

"Beginnings of a USB device driver." I would love to be able to run the manufacturer's program for a data logger and a pulse oximeter under wine. Hopefully this is what they are aiming for (maybe I should try it already?). I'm guessing there are a bunch of devices like this.

lostmsu 6y ago

When should we expect a release for Ubuntu 20.04?

einpoklum 6y ago

Can someone give a few characteristic, uniformed-user-oriented examples of what can be done with Wine 5.7 that was not achievable before? Or of important apps that will now work with Wine?