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Stanford professor’s wife recruited for Coronavirus study with false pretenses

40 points by strict9 6y ago

moneysake 6y ago
This is fucking buzzfeed
- beisner 6y ago
  Buzzfeed News has some very high quality journalism. Separate division from their entertainment division, I wouldn’t dismiss this out of hand.
  - pensatoio 6y ago
    /s?
    - eesmith 6y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed > In late 2011, BuzzFeed hired Ben Smith of Politico as editor-in-chief, to expand the site into long-form journalism and reportage.[8] After years of investment in investigative journalism, by 2018 BuzzFeed News had won the National Magazine Award[9] and the George Polk Award,[10] and been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize[9][11] and the Michael Kelly Award.[9]
    - ta1771 6y ago
      No.
tasty_freeze 6y ago
The editor of Talkingpoints Memo made a really good point early this week [1]. Just a bit more than 0.1% of NY residents have died from known covid-19 infections. This sets a lower floor of the actual mortality rate, since even if not a single other person died of it in the future, and not a single person died from it but wasn't counted, and even if 100% of NY residents are/were carriers, the mortality rate would be 0.1%. But an early test shows about 21% infection rate in NYC (tested by serum levels of antigens), and certainly people will continue to die of it, and certainly there are many people who died of it but aren't recognized. Conservatively, the actual mortality rate is at least 0.6%, a multiple greater than the Stanford study. [1] https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/have-fatality-numbers-from-new-york-already-debunked-the-santa-clara-serology-study https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/have-fatality-numbers-f...
- ponsin 6y ago
  0.1% isn't there lower floor if they are over counting deaths from Corona. Here is an example of one such case https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/26/boys-death-no-longer-counted-among-la-countys-virus-total/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/26/boys-death-no-longer-...
  - jonkho 6y ago
    No only that, there’s plenty of evidence showing virus + mechanical ventilators leading to deaths that virus + simpler interventions otherwise wouldn’t. How many deaths were actually unnecessary and preventable[1][2]? I suppose under ordinary circumstances, these deaths could be considered medical malpractice? [1]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-... [2]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUSKCN2251PE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventil...
    - tasty_freeze 6y ago
      Those would not be medical malpractice. Even if in retrospect it wasn't the best treatment option, at the time the aid was given, it was considered the best medical practice.
  - tasty_freeze 6y ago
    I'm sure there are some misdiagnoses, but enough to skew the results in any significant way? I'd bet $1000 to $1 that the number of unreported cases caused by covid-19 exceeds the number of misattributions that were caused by something else.
    - ponsin 6y ago
      Infection cases or death cases? I would assume that more people get the virus than are reported because some people are asymptomatic, there might not be enough tests and some people might opt not to get tested and go to the hospital. With regard to the number of deaths, I would be surprised if that was under reported since it is very hard to ignore a death. If someone was in critical condition due to breathing issues, I would assume that they would be hospitalized and tested. In addition, if someone was in the hospital and died from something not Corona related, it seems likely that if they happened to have Corona they would be listed as a corona death due to CDC recommendations https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to-Doctors-on-How-to-Certify-COVID-19-Deaths-including-Related-Deaths https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to... . So seeing as total cases are likely underestimated and total deaths are likely overestimated, the 1% hardly seems to me to be the lower floor.

40 points by strict9 6y ago

moneysake 6y ago

This is fucking buzzfeed

beisner 6y ago
Buzzfeed News has some very high quality journalism. Separate division from their entertainment division, I wouldn’t dismiss this out of hand.
- pensatoio 6y ago
  /s?
  - eesmith 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed > In late 2011, BuzzFeed hired Ben Smith of Politico as editor-in-chief, to expand the site into long-form journalism and reportage.[8] After years of investment in investigative journalism, by 2018 BuzzFeed News had won the National Magazine Award[9] and the George Polk Award,[10] and been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize[9][11] and the Michael Kelly Award.[9]
  - ta1771 6y ago
    No.

tasty_freeze 6y ago

The editor of Talkingpoints Memo made a really good point early this week [1]. Just a bit more than 0.1% of NY residents have died from known covid-19 infections. This sets a lower floor of the actual mortality rate, since even if not a single other person died of it in the future, and not a single person died from it but wasn't counted, and even if 100% of NY residents are/were carriers, the mortality rate would be 0.1%. But an early test shows about 21% infection rate in NYC (tested by serum levels of antigens), and certainly people will continue to die of it, and certainly there are many people who died of it but aren't recognized. Conservatively, the actual mortality rate is at least 0.6%, a multiple greater than the Stanford study. [1] https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/have-fatality-numbers-from-new-york-already-debunked-the-santa-clara-serology-study https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/have-fatality-numbers-f...

ponsin 6y ago
0.1% isn't there lower floor if they are over counting deaths from Corona. Here is an example of one such case https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/26/boys-death-no-longer-counted-among-la-countys-virus-total/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/26/boys-death-no-longer-...
- jonkho 6y ago
  No only that, there’s plenty of evidence showing virus + mechanical ventilators leading to deaths that virus + simpler interventions otherwise wouldn’t. How many deaths were actually unnecessary and preventable[1][2]? I suppose under ordinary circumstances, these deaths could be considered medical malpractice? [1]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-... [2]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUSKCN2251PE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventil...
  - tasty_freeze 6y ago
    Those would not be medical malpractice. Even if in retrospect it wasn't the best treatment option, at the time the aid was given, it was considered the best medical practice.
- tasty_freeze 6y ago
  I'm sure there are some misdiagnoses, but enough to skew the results in any significant way? I'd bet $1000 to $1 that the number of unreported cases caused by covid-19 exceeds the number of misattributions that were caused by something else.
  - ponsin 6y ago
    Infection cases or death cases? I would assume that more people get the virus than are reported because some people are asymptomatic, there might not be enough tests and some people might opt not to get tested and go to the hospital. With regard to the number of deaths, I would be surprised if that was under reported since it is very hard to ignore a death. If someone was in critical condition due to breathing issues, I would assume that they would be hospitalized and tested. In addition, if someone was in the hospital and died from something not Corona related, it seems likely that if they happened to have Corona they would be listed as a corona death due to CDC recommendations https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to-Doctors-on-How-to-Certify-COVID-19-Deaths-including-Related-Deaths https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to... . So seeing as total cases are likely underestimated and total deaths are likely overestimated, the 1% hardly seems to me to be the lower floor.