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> Forcing people to show up to work under these conditions is murder. Nobody can be forced to show up, and no, that's not murder. > A starting point would be.

by mod 6y ago

> Forcing people to show up to work under these conditions is murder. Nobody can be forced to show up, and no, that's not murder. > A starting point would be... Amazon has a page listing their pretty thorough adjustments for health & safety: https://blog.aboutamazon.com/company-news/how-amazon-prioritizes-health-and-safety-while-fulfilling-customer-orders https://blog.aboutamazon.com/company-news/how-amazon-priorit...

kevingadd 6y ago
Unpaid time off is forcing low-income workers to show up unless they want to starve.
- jshevek 6y ago
  By starve do you mean "go hungry", or "eat less", or "starve to death"? Edit: I find "starve" to be a hyperbolic and emotionally manipulative choice of words, but I don't want to assume the worst. Maybe you have good reason to use this term?
  - bl0b 6y ago
    Not having enough money to survive isn't a made up thing. However you want to define it, people need to make ends meet including right now.
    - jshevek 6y ago
      >Not having enough money to survive isn't a made up thing. No one has suggested that anything here is a 'made up thing', are you creating strawmen? >However you want to define it, people need to make ends meet including right now. I'm interested in understanding what the GP's point was. I don't get to definitely choose arbitrary definitions and interpretations for them. The dictionary and accepted usage offers a range of interpretations.
      - bl0b 6y ago
        Apologies.. your comment sure read a lot like 'if starve really means eat less, maybe they should just suck it up and eat less.' I though it was obvious that GP's usage of the word 'starve' wasn't to be taken literally.
aaomidi 6y ago
Ah yes because they're not being held at gunpoint it's not forced. Do you really have a very literal definition of forced? No nuance or anything?
- jshevek 6y ago
  The nuanced approach is to reject extremist characterizations, not embrace them.
  - aaomidi 6y ago
    Yeah unfortunately you're in the wrong here. There are multiple levels of forced. It's not an on and off switch, as much as people make it out to be.
    - jshevek 6y ago
      In what way am I in the wrong? I did not claim and do not believe that there is only one level of 'forced'. No one here is making it out to be that way. Edit: Just because there is a range of accepted meanings for the word 'forced' doesn't mean that all uses of the word 'forced' are correct. Even with the most low key interpretations of the word 'forced', I don't think that this is in any way the correct word for this situation.

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kevingadd 6y ago

Unpaid time off is forcing low-income workers to show up unless they want to starve.

jshevek 6y ago
By starve do you mean "go hungry", or "eat less", or "starve to death"? Edit: I find "starve" to be a hyperbolic and emotionally manipulative choice of words, but I don't want to assume the worst. Maybe you have good reason to use this term?
- bl0b 6y ago
  Not having enough money to survive isn't a made up thing. However you want to define it, people need to make ends meet including right now.
  - jshevek 6y ago
    >Not having enough money to survive isn't a made up thing. No one has suggested that anything here is a 'made up thing', are you creating strawmen? >However you want to define it, people need to make ends meet including right now. I'm interested in understanding what the GP's point was. I don't get to definitely choose arbitrary definitions and interpretations for them. The dictionary and accepted usage offers a range of interpretations.
    - bl0b 6y ago
      Apologies.. your comment sure read a lot like 'if starve really means eat less, maybe they should just suck it up and eat less.' I though it was obvious that GP's usage of the word 'starve' wasn't to be taken literally.

aaomidi 6y ago

Ah yes because they're not being held at gunpoint it's not forced. Do you really have a very literal definition of forced? No nuance or anything?

jshevek 6y ago
The nuanced approach is to reject extremist characterizations, not embrace them.
- aaomidi 6y ago
  Yeah unfortunately you're in the wrong here. There are multiple levels of forced. It's not an on and off switch, as much as people make it out to be.
  - jshevek 6y ago
    In what way am I in the wrong? I did not claim and do not believe that there is only one level of 'forced'. No one here is making it out to be that way. Edit: Just because there is a range of accepted meanings for the word 'forced' doesn't mean that all uses of the word 'forced' are correct. Even with the most low key interpretations of the word 'forced', I don't think that this is in any way the correct word for this situation.