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> To all the people jeering for Agile's demise, please provide a superior alternative. Give individuals ownership over different parts and then let them self o

> To all the people jeering for Agile's demise, please provide a superior alternative. Give individuals ownership over different parts and then let them self organize, that is all you need if you hire competent people. I'll never work at a place which doesn't work like that again.

closeparen 7y ago
To be fair, there are a lot of engineers on the market with a small-but-positive value under a structured process who would be totally useless in an environment like this. I can see why it might be rational to managers.
- drapred7 7y ago
  The problem is that software engineers are paided poorly compared to bankers, executives, and a myriad of other occupations relative to how it used to be 30 years ago. Even doctors aren't paid like they used to be. So way too many smart people go into finance and real estate, which are jobs that really anybody could do, except that our corrupt system makes it worthwhile to pay the smartest people to come up with new ways to scam the public and the government. See: Fed policy, CDOs, sub-prime loans, QE...
  - jevgeni 7y ago
    Sub prime loans are the only thing out of that list where the public was scammed. Everything else you listed are internal banking things.
    - drapred7 7y ago
      The public absolutlely paid the price in the form of bailouts. If those banks had been allowed to fail I would agree with you, but they knew they'd probably be bailed out from the beginning and used CDOs to ensure it. QE is a direct transfer of wealth from dollar holders to investors and banks. No way around that.
      - closeparen 7y ago
        The bailouts were loans and equity stakes which got paid back, not grants.
        drapred7 7y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system) Gambling with unlimited amounts of other people's money is going to be profitable. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2008-financial-bailout-809731/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2008...
poisonborz 7y ago
Yeah, this is always what I hear from selfish people. What is "competent"? Even if I know what that is, hiring them is hard and ad-hoc. Agile is a way to orgnize _everyone_ to deliver. Even "non competent ones". Those teams will deliver slower, but will deliver, instead of failing.

closeparen 7y ago

To be fair, there are a lot of engineers on the market with a small-but-positive value under a structured process who would be totally useless in an environment like this. I can see why it might be rational to managers.

drapred7 7y ago
The problem is that software engineers are paided poorly compared to bankers, executives, and a myriad of other occupations relative to how it used to be 30 years ago. Even doctors aren't paid like they used to be. So way too many smart people go into finance and real estate, which are jobs that really anybody could do, except that our corrupt system makes it worthwhile to pay the smartest people to come up with new ways to scam the public and the government. See: Fed policy, CDOs, sub-prime loans, QE...
- jevgeni 7y ago
  Sub prime loans are the only thing out of that list where the public was scammed. Everything else you listed are internal banking things.
  - drapred7 7y ago
    The public absolutlely paid the price in the form of bailouts. If those banks had been allowed to fail I would agree with you, but they knew they'd probably be bailed out from the beginning and used CDOs to ensure it. QE is a direct transfer of wealth from dollar holders to investors and banks. No way around that.
    - closeparen 7y ago
      The bailouts were loans and equity stakes which got paid back, not grants.
      - drapred7 7y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system) Gambling with unlimited amounts of other people's money is going to be profitable. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2008-financial-bailout-809731/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2008...

poisonborz 7y ago

Yeah, this is always what I hear from selfish people. What is "competent"? Even if I know what that is, hiring them is hard and ad-hoc. Agile is a way to orgnize _everyone_ to deliver. Even "non competent ones". Those teams will deliver slower, but will deliver, instead of failing.