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Radiation also causes cancer, yet we have radiotherapy. I mean this is really basic, think-a-tiny-bit-below-the-surface stuff that anyone not afflicted by TDS

by Tycho 7y ago

Radiation also causes cancer, yet we have radiotherapy. I mean this is really basic, think-a-tiny-bit-below-the-surface stuff that anyone not afflicted by TDS seems capable of.

pintxo 7y ago
Do you recall the last time a head of state discussed on live TV the usefulness of bathing in the reactor pool of a live nuclear reactor to cure cancer? I don't. Funny thing is, this would actually be pretty save [1], especially compared to anyone ingesting disinfectants. And it's orders of magnitudes easier to access disinfectants than reactor pools [2]. [1] https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ [2] That is an educated guess, actually. [Edit: Grammar]
- Tycho 7y ago
  But notice that Trump didn’t suggest that anyone bathe in reactor pools, instead he asked the scientist if it would be possible to harness UV radiation for some kind of treatment.
cthalupa 7y ago
If anything, TDS is the continued mental gymnastics required to paint his actions in anything resembling a positive light. The man was literally following up on a conversation about UV and bleach being used as disinfectant on surfaces and then suggested that they might be a good for use on humans. Chemotherapy would sound crazy on it's face - and in a lot of ways it still is, people do die from chemo - but the push for further research for chemo was done by scientists and researchers who had a grasp on why and how it could be of use as a treatment. It's also disingenuous to compare chemotherapy with injecting disinfectant. It is trivially easy for someone to inject themselves with disinfectant. It is not trivially easy for someone to give themselves chemotherapy. Trump's verbiage here is also the same as his playbook on chloroquine over the past few weeks - frame things as questions to be asked, but then pepper it all with words like "great" and "powerful" It's the same way he operates on every single subject he's a fan of but can't come outright and say that he likes and wants you to think that way or believe in it. This is nothing new, and neither are the backflips and contortions people go through to try and justify it. And, fundamentally, your entire argument falls apart now that Trump himself is claiming it was just a sarcastic joke, and that he was never ever suggesting that it's something we should do or even research. He's trying to walk back the statement and pretend he didn't mean anything by it at all except to be mocking because of how stupid the comment was.
- Tycho 7y ago
  So just to clarify, your position is that Trump literally told people to inject themselves with disinfectant? And that this was part of some plan of his, something from his playbook? Trump said it was a joke today - if you saw the original video he sort of chuckled when he followed up on the UV treatment idea with the suggestion that disinfectant could be used inside the body, turning to his team and saying "but you'd have to use medical doctors for that". Maybe that's what he was referring to, or maybe it was some later exchange. Regardless, the original context was simply that scientists presented some findings about what kills the virus, and Trump followed up with some questions about whether they could lead to some new types of treatment. That's it. The rest is a game of Get Trump.

by Tycho 7y ago

Radiation also causes cancer, yet we have radiotherapy. I mean this is really basic, think-a-tiny-bit-below-the-surface stuff that anyone not afflicted by TDS seems capable of.

pintxo 7y ago

Do you recall the last time a head of state discussed on live TV the usefulness of bathing in the reactor pool of a live nuclear reactor to cure cancer? I don't. Funny thing is, this would actually be pretty save [1], especially compared to anyone ingesting disinfectants. And it's orders of magnitudes easier to access disinfectants than reactor pools [2]. [1] https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ [2] That is an educated guess, actually. [Edit: Grammar]

Tycho 7y ago
But notice that Trump didn’t suggest that anyone bathe in reactor pools, instead he asked the scientist if it would be possible to harness UV radiation for some kind of treatment.

cthalupa 7y ago

If anything, TDS is the continued mental gymnastics required to paint his actions in anything resembling a positive light. The man was literally following up on a conversation about UV and bleach being used as disinfectant on surfaces and then suggested that they might be a good for use on humans. Chemotherapy would sound crazy on it's face - and in a lot of ways it still is, people do die from chemo - but the push for further research for chemo was done by scientists and researchers who had a grasp on why and how it could be of use as a treatment. It's also disingenuous to compare chemotherapy with injecting disinfectant. It is trivially easy for someone to inject themselves with disinfectant. It is not trivially easy for someone to give themselves chemotherapy. Trump's verbiage here is also the same as his playbook on chloroquine over the past few weeks - frame things as questions to be asked, but then pepper it all with words like "great" and "powerful" It's the same way he operates on every single subject he's a fan of but can't come outright and say that he likes and wants you to think that way or believe in it. This is nothing new, and neither are the backflips and contortions people go through to try and justify it. And, fundamentally, your entire argument falls apart now that Trump himself is claiming it was just a sarcastic joke, and that he was never ever suggesting that it's something we should do or even research. He's trying to walk back the statement and pretend he didn't mean anything by it at all except to be mocking because of how stupid the comment was.

Tycho 7y ago
So just to clarify, your position is that Trump literally told people to inject themselves with disinfectant? And that this was part of some plan of his, something from his playbook? Trump said it was a joke today - if you saw the original video he sort of chuckled when he followed up on the UV treatment idea with the suggestion that disinfectant could be used inside the body, turning to his team and saying "but you'd have to use medical doctors for that". Maybe that's what he was referring to, or maybe it was some later exchange. Regardless, the original context was simply that scientists presented some findings about what kills the virus, and Trump followed up with some questions about whether they could lead to some new types of treatment. That's it. The rest is a game of Get Trump.