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I say grant them their wish. Foreign nation state operatives hacking in plain sight in the US, in active war zones? Treat them as the enemy combatants, terroris
by stefan_ 7y ago
I say grant them their wish. Foreign nation state operatives hacking in plain sight in the US, in active war zones? Treat them as the enemy combatants, terrorists even that they want to be recognized as.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago> Treat them as the enemy combatants I'm surprised NSO Group employees and their families and affiliates aren't being treated as, at the very least, potentially-adversarial intelligence assets.
- fit2rule 7y agoDuplicity is a currency in the intelligence community. This probably scores them points with their colleagues in the US, not disdain.
- KoftaBob 7y agoNSO Group is an Israeli operation, i.e. working with Mossad, so there is a slim chance of the US treating them as an "enemy combatant".
- flyinglizard 7y agoNSO’s ventures so far have mostly been tied to Arab countries. You can’t assume they work for Mossad anymore than assuming that Google is an extension of the NSA. Israel is a home for many, many cyber security companies, on defense and offense.
- nyolfen 7y agoyou can definitely assume they have a cozy relationship: > NSO's founders are ex-members of Unit 8200, the Israeli Intelligence Corps unit responsible for collecting signals intelligence.[9]
- flyinglizard 7y agoI'd say over 50% of Israeli tech founders come from that unit or one of its siblings. That includes Wix, Checkpoint, Palo Alto Networks and hundreds of others. This really is the backbone of the Israeli tech industry. Not only that but these people are very tightly integrated into global tech giants - Apple's two large acquisitions in Israel (PrimeSense and Anobit), Facebook's Israeli R&D center (Onavo) and a significant part of Microsoft's cloud security division (Adallom) - all of those are ex. 8200.
- azinman2 7y agoIsrael is small, and military service is required. If you're smart and have talent (versus just muscles), then you'll go through some unit like this during your service. It's a bit like saying Google is an extension of Stanford because that's where the founders came from. It just happens to be a place that people went through.
- nyolfen 7y agoyou are hopelessly naive if you think this is a coincidence
- azinman2 7y agoI know many who have been through that group because of military service. None of them are doing security related stuff (one is a professor, another is VP at a major SV company, etc etc). Are you Israeli?
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- dillondoyle 7y agoAn interesting story I read from HN shows it's not out of the question for 'allied' intelligence to provide technology to 'opposition' nation states just to collect that intelligence. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22297963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22297963
- squarefoot 7y agoI woudn't count on that. There's a chance they're at least indirectly funded by the US, since the US pays several billions every year to Israel, both in military and economic aid. https://ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost_of_israel.html https://ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost_of_israel.html I've no idea of the reliability of that site, however the author was a former US Foreign Service officer.
- KoftaBob 7y agoThat's pretty much the point I was making. The CIA and Mossad extensively share intelligence with each other, so it's unlikely that A) The US intelligence agencies didn't know about NSO's activities, and B) They'll punish them in any way.
- simonh 7y agoAlmost all of that is in the form of credit to be used to buy American military equipment and services. It's as much a subsidy for American arms contractors as it's aid to Israel, although yes it is both. Still, it's not cash and they can't just spend it on whatever they like. Furthermore regarding the linked article, how is a loan guarantee just thrown in to the total. Unless Israel actually defaults on every single loan every year the cost of that is close to zero. Is that really a reasonable assumption to make? So now who's lying.
- ycombi3 7y agoExactly. They will never face their deserved punishment. Imagine if another country that was a supposed ally did this...
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- dantheman 7y agoHow about we just treat them as criminals - let's move away form the some of the worst abuses of government power in the 21st century. Let's get back to the rule of law.
- GhettoMaestro 7y agoDick Cheney has joined the channel.
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