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He used the term "disinfectant" immediately after talking about UV light, which is a most definitely a well known disinfectant. However, he was also obviously n

He used the term "disinfectant" immediately after talking about UV light, which is a most definitely a well known disinfectant. However, he was also obviously not being clear, but never mentioned any other specific disinfectant. Therefore, the only good faith interpretation, after considering context and applying a modicum of critical thought, is that he was referring to the UV light when he used the term.

ceejayoz 7y ago
Nope. Contort all you like, but here's the quote. > And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. He's clearly talking about two things - one sentence is about light, "And I then I see the disinfectant"... - and you simply can't "inject" light.
- stronglikedan 7y ago
  He's not clearly talking about anything, which is the problem, and the reason a good faith interpretation based on context is important. You can inject light via fiber optics. We all know 'inject" isn't the right term, but it's how he was using it. Regardless, and most importantly, he never specified any disinfectant, so in the context, he meant UV light. No contortion necessary. It's all there in the quote you provided.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    Still nope. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectant-injection-coronavirus-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectan... > Trump’s eyebrow-raising query came immediately after William N. Bryan, the acting undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, gave a presentation on the potential impact of summer heat and humidity, which also included references to tests that showed the effectiveness of different types of disinfectants. He recounted data from recent tests that showed how bleach, alcohol and sunlight could kill the coronavirus on surfaces. > Bryan said bleach killed the virus in about five minutes and isopropyl alcohol killed it in 30 seconds. In tests, sunlight and high temperatures also appeared to shorten the virus’s life on surfaces and in the air, Bryan said.
  - stronglikedan 7y ago
    To the commentor below, since I can't seem to reply directly: > Bryan said Last I checked, Bryan wasn't Trump.
    - klyrs 7y ago
      Immediately after Bryan provided the context that you just noped, Trump said: > And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. You're saying he's saying "nothing" but in fact he's suggesting that disinfectant injections are worth trying
    - stronglikedan 7y ago
      To the other commentor below (no idea why I can't reply): Okay, I'll play along. Here's part of that quote, "is there a way..." When someone merely asks if there's a way, I don't interpret that as them suggesting anything, since a question isn't a suggestion.
      - klyrs 7y ago
        You see a person pushing on a door, and it won't open. You say "have you tried pulling?" A rhetorical question can, in fact, be a suggestion. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/319030/should-a-suggestion-have-a-question-mark https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/319030/should-a-...
      - ModernMech 7y ago
        It appears that your charitable "good faith" interpretation is in fact wrong, as Trump now claims he was sarcastically asking the question to rile up reporters: "I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-inject-disinfectant-quote-a9483151.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... So for all this talk about examining context and intentionally interpreting the President's comments in an unfavorable light, he was in fact being disingenuous and sarcastic. He wasn't "merely" asking a question. He was trolling. BTW, this is why people are so eager to not take him at face value.
klyrs 7y ago
There's a difference between good faith interpretation and examining probable outcomes. When I said that he's encouraging folks to mainline bleach, it was firmly in the latter category. Trump's history of fraud, deception and doublespeak inclines me not to apply good faith to him. But to that point, I don't think he's malicious, I think he's reckless and purely self-serving.
fiblye 7y ago
He clearly referred to them as separate concepts after he closed his bizarre point of injecting light as well.

ceejayoz 7y ago

Nope. Contort all you like, but here's the quote. > And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. He's clearly talking about two things - one sentence is about light, "And I then I see the disinfectant"... - and you simply can't "inject" light.

stronglikedan 7y ago
He's not clearly talking about anything, which is the problem, and the reason a good faith interpretation based on context is important. You can inject light via fiber optics. We all know 'inject" isn't the right term, but it's how he was using it. Regardless, and most importantly, he never specified any disinfectant, so in the context, he meant UV light. No contortion necessary. It's all there in the quote you provided.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  Still nope. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectant-injection-coronavirus-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectan... > Trump’s eyebrow-raising query came immediately after William N. Bryan, the acting undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, gave a presentation on the potential impact of summer heat and humidity, which also included references to tests that showed the effectiveness of different types of disinfectants. He recounted data from recent tests that showed how bleach, alcohol and sunlight could kill the coronavirus on surfaces. > Bryan said bleach killed the virus in about five minutes and isopropyl alcohol killed it in 30 seconds. In tests, sunlight and high temperatures also appeared to shorten the virus’s life on surfaces and in the air, Bryan said.
- stronglikedan 7y ago
  To the commentor below, since I can't seem to reply directly: > Bryan said Last I checked, Bryan wasn't Trump.
  - klyrs 7y ago
    Immediately after Bryan provided the context that you just noped, Trump said: > And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. You're saying he's saying "nothing" but in fact he's suggesting that disinfectant injections are worth trying
  - stronglikedan 7y ago
    To the other commentor below (no idea why I can't reply): Okay, I'll play along. Here's part of that quote, "is there a way..." When someone merely asks if there's a way, I don't interpret that as them suggesting anything, since a question isn't a suggestion.
    - klyrs 7y ago
      You see a person pushing on a door, and it won't open. You say "have you tried pulling?" A rhetorical question can, in fact, be a suggestion. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/319030/should-a-suggestion-have-a-question-mark https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/319030/should-a-...
    - ModernMech 7y ago
      It appears that your charitable "good faith" interpretation is in fact wrong, as Trump now claims he was sarcastically asking the question to rile up reporters: "I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-inject-disinfectant-quote-a9483151.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... So for all this talk about examining context and intentionally interpreting the President's comments in an unfavorable light, he was in fact being disingenuous and sarcastic. He wasn't "merely" asking a question. He was trolling. BTW, this is why people are so eager to not take him at face value.

klyrs 7y ago

There's a difference between good faith interpretation and examining probable outcomes. When I said that he's encouraging folks to mainline bleach, it was firmly in the latter category. Trump's history of fraud, deception and doublespeak inclines me not to apply good faith to him. But to that point, I don't think he's malicious, I think he's reckless and purely self-serving.

fiblye 7y ago

He clearly referred to them as separate concepts after he closed his bizarre point of injecting light as well.