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Immediately following someone stating that disinfectants like alcohol and bleach can destroy the virus, the president did say it's worth trying out injecting di

by fiblye 6y ago

Immediately following someone stating that disinfectants like alcohol and bleach can destroy the virus, the president did say it's worth trying out injecting disinfectants. [1] He didn't specifically say "mainlining bleach", but he was referencing injecting one of the aforementioned disinfectants. It's kind of hard to say he didn't. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y#t=2m5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y#t=2m5s

stronglikedan 6y ago
He used the term "disinfectant" immediately after talking about UV light, which is a most definitely a well known disinfectant. However, he was also obviously not being clear, but never mentioned any other specific disinfectant. Therefore, the only good faith interpretation, after considering context and applying a modicum of critical thought, is that he was referring to the UV light when he used the term.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Nope. Contort all you like, but here's the quote. > And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. He's clearly talking about two things - one sentence is about light, "And I then I see the disinfectant"... - and you simply can't "inject" light.
  - stronglikedan 6y ago
    He's not clearly talking about anything, which is the problem, and the reason a good faith interpretation based on context is important. You can inject light via fiber optics. We all know 'inject" isn't the right term, but it's how he was using it. Regardless, and most importantly, he never specified any disinfectant, so in the context, he meant UV light. No contortion necessary. It's all there in the quote you provided.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      Still nope. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectant-injection-coronavirus-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectan... > Trump’s eyebrow-raising query came immediately after William N. Bryan, the acting undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, gave a presentation on the potential impact of summer heat and humidity, which also included references to tests that showed the effectiveness of different types of disinfectants. He recounted data from recent tests that showed how bleach, alcohol and sunlight could kill the coronavirus on surfaces. > Bryan said bleach killed the virus in about five minutes and isopropyl alcohol killed it in 30 seconds. In tests, sunlight and high temperatures also appeared to shorten the virus’s life on surfaces and in the air, Bryan said.
    - stronglikedan 6y ago
      To the commentor below, since I can't seem to reply directly: > Bryan said Last I checked, Bryan wasn't Trump.
      - klyrs 6y ago
        Immediately after Bryan provided the context that you just noped, Trump said: > And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. You're saying he's saying "nothing" but in fact he's suggesting that disinfectant injections are worth trying
      - stronglikedan 6y ago
        To the other commentor below (no idea why I can't reply): Okay, I'll play along. Here's part of that quote, "is there a way..." When someone merely asks if there's a way, I don't interpret that as them suggesting anything, since a question isn't a suggestion.
        klyrs 6y ago
        You see a person pushing on a door, and it won't open. You say "have you tried pulling?" A rhetorical question can, in fact, be a suggestion. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/319030/should-a-suggestion-have-a-question-mark https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/319030/should-a-...
- klyrs 6y ago
  There's a difference between good faith interpretation and examining probable outcomes. When I said that he's encouraging folks to mainline bleach, it was firmly in the latter category. Trump's history of fraud, deception and doublespeak inclines me not to apply good faith to him. But to that point, I don't think he's malicious, I think he's reckless and purely self-serving.
- fiblye 6y ago
  He clearly referred to them as separate concepts after he closed his bizarre point of injecting light as well.

by fiblye 6y ago

stronglikedan 6y ago

He used the term "disinfectant" immediately after talking about UV light, which is a most definitely a well known disinfectant. However, he was also obviously not being clear, but never mentioned any other specific disinfectant. Therefore, the only good faith interpretation, after considering context and applying a modicum of critical thought, is that he was referring to the UV light when he used the term.

ceejayoz 6y ago
Nope. Contort all you like, but here's the quote. > And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. He's clearly talking about two things - one sentence is about light, "And I then I see the disinfectant"... - and you simply can't "inject" light.
- stronglikedan 6y ago
  He's not clearly talking about anything, which is the problem, and the reason a good faith interpretation based on context is important. You can inject light via fiber optics. We all know 'inject" isn't the right term, but it's how he was using it. Regardless, and most importantly, he never specified any disinfectant, so in the context, he meant UV light. No contortion necessary. It's all there in the quote you provided.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Still nope. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectant-injection-coronavirus-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectan... > Trump’s eyebrow-raising query came immediately after William N. Bryan, the acting undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, gave a presentation on the potential impact of summer heat and humidity, which also included references to tests that showed the effectiveness of different types of disinfectants. He recounted data from recent tests that showed how bleach, alcohol and sunlight could kill the coronavirus on surfaces. > Bryan said bleach killed the virus in about five minutes and isopropyl alcohol killed it in 30 seconds. In tests, sunlight and high temperatures also appeared to shorten the virus’s life on surfaces and in the air, Bryan said.
  - stronglikedan 6y ago
    To the commentor below, since I can't seem to reply directly: > Bryan said Last I checked, Bryan wasn't Trump.
    - klyrs 6y ago
      Immediately after Bryan provided the context that you just noped, Trump said: > And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. You're saying he's saying "nothing" but in fact he's suggesting that disinfectant injections are worth trying
    - stronglikedan 6y ago
      To the other commentor below (no idea why I can't reply): Okay, I'll play along. Here's part of that quote, "is there a way..." When someone merely asks if there's a way, I don't interpret that as them suggesting anything, since a question isn't a suggestion.
      - klyrs 6y ago
        You see a person pushing on a door, and it won't open. You say "have you tried pulling?" A rhetorical question can, in fact, be a suggestion. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/319030/should-a-suggestion-have-a-question-mark https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/319030/should-a-...
klyrs 6y ago
There's a difference between good faith interpretation and examining probable outcomes. When I said that he's encouraging folks to mainline bleach, it was firmly in the latter category. Trump's history of fraud, deception and doublespeak inclines me not to apply good faith to him. But to that point, I don't think he's malicious, I think he's reckless and purely self-serving.
fiblye 6y ago
He clearly referred to them as separate concepts after he closed his bizarre point of injecting light as well.