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> At that point, the right wing, funded by the desperate corporate state which needs to stem the rising tide of labor activism, will blame coastal elite liberal

> At that point, the right wing, funded by the desperate corporate state which needs to stem the rising tide of labor activism, will blame coastal elite liberals and immigrants for their problems and there will be some kind of fascist coup, followed potentially by war, (but probably not). You had me until "funded by the desperate corporate state", who want absolutely nothing to do with the right wing. If anything, we'll see a continued rise in Totalitarian Liberalism rather than any kind of right-wing renaissance. > there will be some kind of fascist coup You need a Great Man for that, and there are none on the horizon.

fallingfrog 7y ago
The corporate state in Weimar Germany was faced with a popular communist movement, and to defeat it they threw money at the fascists, who they saw as the only credible opposition. But, history never repeats, it may go down differently next time. Just look at how the supposedly left wing media responded to Bernie Sanders. When money is on the line, they will align with the right wing. Plus, left wing is by definition a movement that opposes the current power hierarchies in society. Look it up on Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics By that standard, none of the people you would call totalitarian liberals are left wing at all, they’re just corporatists with socially liberal virtue signaling. Trust me when I say that those people are the very first to suppress labor strikes or call the cops on protesters. They would absolutely support a fascist coup if it was their only way to keep their money, power and influence.
- core-questions 7y ago
  > Plus, left wing is by definition a movement that opposes the current power hierarchies in society. Look it up on Wikipedia. A foolish movement that doesn't recognize that power and competency hierarchies are endemic to nature and are a part of any human organization. The moment the current system is torn down, the rhetoric of the Left fails as it offers no actual method towards constructing anything meaningful - this is left to men who actually build and maintain things, who all recognize the fundamental nature of the hierarchy if anything is to actually be accomplished. A few years after every leftist revolution, there's a shittier version of the same basic hierarchy in place, equality is never achieved, and as many people starve as before. > none of the people you would call totalitarian liberals are left wing at all Agreed, they're just the left-side position in the false dichotomy. And probably none of the people you'd consider "right wing" are at all right wing by the standards of the real right, they're just the right-side of the same dichotomy, established to prevent anyone from actually upsetting the applecart in the name of real change. > They would absolutely support a fascist coup if it was their only way to keep their money, power and influence. So would just about every normal working class citizen, if they had the opportunity and if the populist values were sufficiently representative of their own. The problem is that fascism has been grossly misrepresented as simply being totalitarianism, when it is actually an ethos and aesthetic towards the upward construction of a nation in the interest of its families that is (obviously) considered undesirable by globalists.

fallingfrog 7y ago

The corporate state in Weimar Germany was faced with a popular communist movement, and to defeat it they threw money at the fascists, who they saw as the only credible opposition. But, history never repeats, it may go down differently next time. Just look at how the supposedly left wing media responded to Bernie Sanders. When money is on the line, they will align with the right wing. Plus, left wing is by definition a movement that opposes the current power hierarchies in society. Look it up on Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics By that standard, none of the people you would call totalitarian liberals are left wing at all, they’re just corporatists with socially liberal virtue signaling. Trust me when I say that those people are the very first to suppress labor strikes or call the cops on protesters. They would absolutely support a fascist coup if it was their only way to keep their money, power and influence.

core-questions 7y ago
> Plus, left wing is by definition a movement that opposes the current power hierarchies in society. Look it up on Wikipedia. A foolish movement that doesn't recognize that power and competency hierarchies are endemic to nature and are a part of any human organization. The moment the current system is torn down, the rhetoric of the Left fails as it offers no actual method towards constructing anything meaningful - this is left to men who actually build and maintain things, who all recognize the fundamental nature of the hierarchy if anything is to actually be accomplished. A few years after every leftist revolution, there's a shittier version of the same basic hierarchy in place, equality is never achieved, and as many people starve as before. > none of the people you would call totalitarian liberals are left wing at all Agreed, they're just the left-side position in the false dichotomy. And probably none of the people you'd consider "right wing" are at all right wing by the standards of the real right, they're just the right-side of the same dichotomy, established to prevent anyone from actually upsetting the applecart in the name of real change. > They would absolutely support a fascist coup if it was their only way to keep their money, power and influence. So would just about every normal working class citizen, if they had the opportunity and if the populist values were sufficiently representative of their own. The problem is that fascism has been grossly misrepresented as simply being totalitarianism, when it is actually an ethos and aesthetic towards the upward construction of a nation in the interest of its families that is (obviously) considered undesirable by globalists.