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Our Chief Medical Officer here in Australia actually had to tell people not to inject disinfectant based on Trump's speech. Truly extraordinary times we live i

Our Chief Medical Officer here in Australia actually had to tell people not to inject disinfectant based on Trump's speech. Truly extraordinary times we live in.

klenwell 7y ago
The makers of Lysol also had to issue an official statement: As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route). https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/24/business/lysol-disinfectant-trump-coronavirus/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/24/business/lysol-disinfectant-t... I keep thinking of this recent Ted Chiang quote: If your goal is to dramatize the threat posed by an unknown virus, there’s no advantage in depicting the officials responding as incompetent, because that minimizes the threat; it leads the reader to conclude that the virus wouldn’t be dangerous if competent people were on the job. A pandemic story like that would be similar to what’s known as an “idiot plot,” a plot that would be resolved very quickly if your protagonist weren’t an idiot. What we’re living through is only partly a disaster novel; it’s also—and perhaps mostly—a grotesque political satire. https://electricliterature.com/ted-chiang-explains-the-disaster-novel-we-all-suddenly-live-in/ https://electricliterature.com/ted-chiang-explains-the-disas...
- breischl 7y ago
  On the one hand it's incredibly sad that they have to make announcements like that. On the other hand, this reaalllly feels like evolution in action.
- danans 7y ago
  > there’s no advantage in depicting the officials responding as incompetent, , because that minimizes the threat In this case it's not typical incompetence of officials, it's an official with huge influence derived from their office endangering people by recommending injection of disinfectants into their bodies. That itself a huge threat.
  - klenwell 7y ago
    Not sure why you're being downvoted. You're right. Just to clarify one possible misreading of Chiang's point I noticed due to the way I excerpted his statement: he's not suggesting that incompetent officials should not be called out and held accountable. He's saying rather if you're a fiction writer and you were trying to write a story about a plausible sci-fi pandemic and you added a character like Trump and depicted a scene like that press conference yesterday, you'd literally lose the plot and lose any serious reader. It would unsuspend disbelief.
blueside 7y ago
Trump is going to unintentionally kill off a lot votes for him
- dhosek 7y ago
  Given the rush of people snatching up hydroxychloroquine, it's really not a matter of if, just how many.
  - dhosek 7y ago
    Someone downvoted me, but on the chance folks ever come back to this discussion thread: https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-new-yorkers-household-cleaners-trump-20200425-rnaqio5dyfeaxmthxx2vktqa5m-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-new-y...
starkd 7y ago
Listen to the remarks, and its clear he never said anything about injecting disinfectant directly into a patient. It was part of a conversation he had with Dr. Bill Bryant, leader of science and technology at HHS, about using new information about how light, heat and humidity kill the virus. A reporter, Jonathan Karl of ABC brought up the question about injecting disinfectant, and he said "it wouldn't be through injection" and deferred to the experts. It's a shame the reporters insist on politicizing this.
- LegitShady 7y ago
  Reporters have politicized everything about this and the virus. To anyone paying attention these sort of little attacks on Trump over things he didn't say kill all credibility. How could anyone trust abc now? Either they're partisan hacks or their reporter is too stupid to be in his job. Either way their credibility is zero
- rrss 7y ago
  Help me understand. "So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that." What does this mean? It certainly sounds to me like he is talking about using disinfectant to clean the virus out of the lungs.
  - rrss 7y ago
    Ok, I listened to Bill Bryan's prior comments again, and I still do not understand what President Trump was saying if not suggesting using light and disinfectants inside the human body. Bill Bryan was obviously not using the word "inject" to refer to injecting anything into the human body, but it certainly sounds like President Trump was ("inside the body", "through the skin"?)

Our Chief Medical Officer here in Australia actually had to tell people not to inject disinfectant based on Trump's speech. Truly extraordinary times we live in.

klenwell 7y ago

The makers of Lysol also had to issue an official statement: As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route). https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/24/business/lysol-disinfectant-trump-coronavirus/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/24/business/lysol-disinfectant-t... I keep thinking of this recent Ted Chiang quote: If your goal is to dramatize the threat posed by an unknown virus, there’s no advantage in depicting the officials responding as incompetent, because that minimizes the threat; it leads the reader to conclude that the virus wouldn’t be dangerous if competent people were on the job. A pandemic story like that would be similar to what’s known as an “idiot plot,” a plot that would be resolved very quickly if your protagonist weren’t an idiot. What we’re living through is only partly a disaster novel; it’s also—and perhaps mostly—a grotesque political satire. https://electricliterature.com/ted-chiang-explains-the-disaster-novel-we-all-suddenly-live-in/ https://electricliterature.com/ted-chiang-explains-the-disas...

breischl 7y ago
On the one hand it's incredibly sad that they have to make announcements like that. On the other hand, this reaalllly feels like evolution in action.
danans 7y ago
> there’s no advantage in depicting the officials responding as incompetent, , because that minimizes the threat In this case it's not typical incompetence of officials, it's an official with huge influence derived from their office endangering people by recommending injection of disinfectants into their bodies. That itself a huge threat.
- klenwell 7y ago
  Not sure why you're being downvoted. You're right. Just to clarify one possible misreading of Chiang's point I noticed due to the way I excerpted his statement: he's not suggesting that incompetent officials should not be called out and held accountable. He's saying rather if you're a fiction writer and you were trying to write a story about a plausible sci-fi pandemic and you added a character like Trump and depicted a scene like that press conference yesterday, you'd literally lose the plot and lose any serious reader. It would unsuspend disbelief.

blueside 7y ago

Trump is going to unintentionally kill off a lot votes for him

dhosek 7y ago
Given the rush of people snatching up hydroxychloroquine, it's really not a matter of if, just how many.
- dhosek 7y ago
  Someone downvoted me, but on the chance folks ever come back to this discussion thread: https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-new-yorkers-household-cleaners-trump-20200425-rnaqio5dyfeaxmthxx2vktqa5m-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-new-y...

starkd 7y ago

Listen to the remarks, and its clear he never said anything about injecting disinfectant directly into a patient. It was part of a conversation he had with Dr. Bill Bryant, leader of science and technology at HHS, about using new information about how light, heat and humidity kill the virus. A reporter, Jonathan Karl of ABC brought up the question about injecting disinfectant, and he said "it wouldn't be through injection" and deferred to the experts. It's a shame the reporters insist on politicizing this.

LegitShady 7y ago
Reporters have politicized everything about this and the virus. To anyone paying attention these sort of little attacks on Trump over things he didn't say kill all credibility. How could anyone trust abc now? Either they're partisan hacks or their reporter is too stupid to be in his job. Either way their credibility is zero
rrss 7y ago
Help me understand. "So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that." What does this mean? It certainly sounds to me like he is talking about using disinfectant to clean the virus out of the lungs.
- rrss 7y ago
  Ok, I listened to Bill Bryan's prior comments again, and I still do not understand what President Trump was saying if not suggesting using light and disinfectants inside the human body. Bill Bryan was obviously not using the word "inject" to refer to injecting anything into the human body, but it certainly sounds like President Trump was ("inside the body", "through the skin"?)