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From the article, which I found relevant wrt. COVID: > These observations led to application of UBI in patients suffering from pneumonia. In a series of 75 cas

From the article, which I found relevant wrt. COVID: > These observations led to application of UBI in patients suffering from pneumonia. In a series of 75 cases in which the diagnoses of pneumonia were confirmed by X-rays, all patients responded well to UBI showing a rapid decrease in temperature, disappearance of cyanosis (often within 3–5 min), cessation of delirium if present, a marked reduction in pulse rate and a rapid resolution of pulmonary consolidation. A shortening of the time of hospitalizations and accelerated convalescence was regularly observed. Of course I have no idea how this generalizes to the pneumonia you get from coronavirus...

ceejayoz 7y ago
That's from the pre-antibiotics era, to be clear. It's likely there's good reason antibiotics supplanted it.
- isoprophlex 7y ago
  Yeah, clear. Reading your other comment made me realize there's of course the important distinction between viral and bacterial disease to be made, too...
  - rurban 7y ago
    No, the bacterial problem is true. COVID-19 causes massive bacterial infections in the lungs. Think of the green slime you cough out with the common cold, but deep in your lung. It's almost the same virus after all. The virus itself causes something else in the red bloodcells prohibiting the transport of oxygen, but this is unlikely the major letal problem.
    - jimsmart 7y ago
      Covid-19 is a coronavirus, the common cold is usually a rhinovirus. They're not 'almost the same virus' as you assert, they're completely different virus families [1]. For starters, coronaviruses are enveloped, and rhinoviruses are naked. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_classification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_classification
      - tlb 7y ago
        15% of common colds are caused by coronaviruses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#Viruses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#Viruses
        jimsmart 7y ago
        Sure, and that’s why I said “/usually/ a rhinovirus”. But saying the common cold is “almost the same virus” as coronavirus still isn’t true as a blanket statement: the vast majority of common colds (up to 85% by your stats) are a caused by completely different virus family.
    - zer0n1ght 7y ago
      Viruses don't usually do any damage to the body. It's the immune system's response to virus that causes damage. The immune system releases chemicals into the blood stream (inflammation) and the increase of these chemicals in the blood reduces oxygen transport. If left unchecked, these chemicals can cause sepsis, and the lack of oxygen causes organ failure, and that is how a virus becomes lethal. These inflammatory chemicals produced by your immune system are what gets trapped in the lungs as pneumonia, which causes other issues. So controlling inflammation and reducing the viral population is the key to survival.
- DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
  If we end up in a post-antibiotics period, perhaps this will be attractive again.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    Yeah, that's the conclusion at the bottom - evaluate for drug-resistant sepsis as a last-ditch option.
- dpoochieni 7y ago
  This sounds too hopeful, and charitable with how the medical industry works. There's a reason Gilead is in the pharmaceutical business and not in the blood irradiation machine business.

ceejayoz 7y ago

That's from the pre-antibiotics era, to be clear. It's likely there's good reason antibiotics supplanted it.

isoprophlex 7y ago
Yeah, clear. Reading your other comment made me realize there's of course the important distinction between viral and bacterial disease to be made, too...
- rurban 7y ago
  No, the bacterial problem is true. COVID-19 causes massive bacterial infections in the lungs. Think of the green slime you cough out with the common cold, but deep in your lung. It's almost the same virus after all. The virus itself causes something else in the red bloodcells prohibiting the transport of oxygen, but this is unlikely the major letal problem.
  - jimsmart 7y ago
    Covid-19 is a coronavirus, the common cold is usually a rhinovirus. They're not 'almost the same virus' as you assert, they're completely different virus families [1]. For starters, coronaviruses are enveloped, and rhinoviruses are naked. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_classification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_classification
    - tlb 7y ago
      15% of common colds are caused by coronaviruses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#Viruses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#Viruses
      - jimsmart 7y ago
        Sure, and that’s why I said “/usually/ a rhinovirus”. But saying the common cold is “almost the same virus” as coronavirus still isn’t true as a blanket statement: the vast majority of common colds (up to 85% by your stats) are a caused by completely different virus family.
  - zer0n1ght 7y ago
    Viruses don't usually do any damage to the body. It's the immune system's response to virus that causes damage. The immune system releases chemicals into the blood stream (inflammation) and the increase of these chemicals in the blood reduces oxygen transport. If left unchecked, these chemicals can cause sepsis, and the lack of oxygen causes organ failure, and that is how a virus becomes lethal. These inflammatory chemicals produced by your immune system are what gets trapped in the lungs as pneumonia, which causes other issues. So controlling inflammation and reducing the viral population is the key to survival.
DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
If we end up in a post-antibiotics period, perhaps this will be attractive again.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  Yeah, that's the conclusion at the bottom - evaluate for drug-resistant sepsis as a last-ditch option.
dpoochieni 7y ago
This sounds too hopeful, and charitable with how the medical industry works. There's a reason Gilead is in the pharmaceutical business and not in the blood irradiation machine business.