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So now Trump is an idiot-savant? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavirus-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-c

So now Trump is an idiot-savant? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavirus-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavir...

ceejayoz 6y ago
Setting aside the issue that this can't really be used on SARS-CoV-2 at all, being accidentally correct doesn't make you a savant.
cde-v 6y ago
No, still just an idiot considering COVID is not drug-resistant bacterial sepsis
- rurban 6y ago
  Just an idiot would be triggered by the daily Anti-Trump reflex. Most of the things he mentions are half-true, just in a very silly way. In the COVID-19 case the major problem is the bacterial sepsis caused by the infection.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > In the COVID-19 case the major problem is the bacterial sepsis caused by the infection. This does not appear to be at all true. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus...
BitwiseFool 6y ago
If you look at how Trump talks you can see a pattern where he likes to repeat ideas that he's heard about and then hype them. My hunch is that he heard about this as a potential treatment from some doctor/advisor and then put his usual spin on it. This could work, it could be great, it's very promising, why don't we try it?
- Ididntdothis 6y ago
  Considering how much weight the words of a president have I wonder if some of his underlings will now go out and spend energy on investigating these ideas. Throwing out such ideas during a lunch with colleagues is fine and fun but doing this during a national press conference aimed to inform the public seems highly irresponsible. I watched the process conference where we he talked about the idea of putting light into people because it may be an idea. If I was one of the medical advisors I would have had to work really hard not punching him in the face so he shuts up.
  - newacct583 6y ago
    > Considering how much weight the words of a president have I wonder if some of his underlings will now go out and spend energy on investigating these ideas In fact it was reported last week that Rick Bright was fired from HHS because he tried to resist the chloroquines spin and push traditional vaccine development instead. It seems almost certain that significant bandwidth will be tied up in the bureaucracy because of the desire in the executive branch to provide evidence backing up POTUS statements.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  Honestly I suspect he just saw a news article about UV sterilisation of a room or something and got confused. And Dunning-Kruger did the rest. Like, confusion over this is not uncommon; elderly people trying to ingest disinfectants, say, is A Thing, and weird health claims for UV/sunbed aren’t new. It’s just that most senile people don’t really have the platform to promote it.
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- poppabox 6y ago
  This is very kind, he has no concept of what he's talking about. The man is a bullshitter, and not a great one. 'Here's a word I barely listened to and have no conceptual backing for, what if that word? We're doing great '
useerup 6y ago
No, just a reckless idiot.
rsynnott 6y ago
No, he remains an idiot-idiot. This is not an antiviral.
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klyrs 6y ago
We already have a sizeable population of bleach-drinkers in the US, and he just encouraged them to mainline it. Given that his strongest base is the conspiracy-minded, which has a significant overlap with the bleach drinking and antivax movements, it seems like "idiot" to encourage them to kill themselves. But given how unshakable the misinformation machine is, I suspect that his base will only be strengthened by this move (the deaths will be covered in mainstream media but it's so easy to denounce such reports as conspiracy) -- "savant", then? Oh wait, you mean because he kinda-sorta had a similar suggestion to this absurd medical practice? No. His goal is to stay in power.
- stronglikedan 6y ago
  > he just encouraged them to mainline it. He never said anything about mainlining bleach though.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    "And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. And is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning?" Bleach, isopropyl alcohol, hydrogen peroxide... Whichever disinfectant he was suggesting injecting into the body, it's not a good idea.
    - stronglikedan 6y ago
      > Bleach, isopropyl alcohol, hydrogen peroxide... UV light injected into the body via fiber optics... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22969680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22969680
  - fiblye 6y ago
    Immediately following someone stating that disinfectants like alcohol and bleach can destroy the virus, the president did say it's worth trying out injecting disinfectants. [1] He didn't specifically say "mainlining bleach", but he was referencing injecting one of the aforementioned disinfectants. It's kind of hard to say he didn't. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y#t=2m5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y#t=2m5s

So now Trump is an idiot-savant? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavirus-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavir...

ceejayoz 6y ago

Setting aside the issue that this can't really be used on SARS-CoV-2 at all, being accidentally correct doesn't make you a savant.

cde-v 6y ago

No, still just an idiot considering COVID is not drug-resistant bacterial sepsis

rurban 6y ago
Just an idiot would be triggered by the daily Anti-Trump reflex. Most of the things he mentions are half-true, just in a very silly way. In the COVID-19 case the major problem is the bacterial sepsis caused by the infection.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > In the COVID-19 case the major problem is the bacterial sepsis caused by the infection. This does not appear to be at all true. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus...

BitwiseFool 6y ago

If you look at how Trump talks you can see a pattern where he likes to repeat ideas that he's heard about and then hype them. My hunch is that he heard about this as a potential treatment from some doctor/advisor and then put his usual spin on it. This could work, it could be great, it's very promising, why don't we try it?

Ididntdothis 6y ago
Considering how much weight the words of a president have I wonder if some of his underlings will now go out and spend energy on investigating these ideas. Throwing out such ideas during a lunch with colleagues is fine and fun but doing this during a national press conference aimed to inform the public seems highly irresponsible. I watched the process conference where we he talked about the idea of putting light into people because it may be an idea. If I was one of the medical advisors I would have had to work really hard not punching him in the face so he shuts up.
- newacct583 6y ago
  > Considering how much weight the words of a president have I wonder if some of his underlings will now go out and spend energy on investigating these ideas In fact it was reported last week that Rick Bright was fired from HHS because he tried to resist the chloroquines spin and push traditional vaccine development instead. It seems almost certain that significant bandwidth will be tied up in the bureaucracy because of the desire in the executive branch to provide evidence backing up POTUS statements.
rsynnott 6y ago
Honestly I suspect he just saw a news article about UV sterilisation of a room or something and got confused. And Dunning-Kruger did the rest. Like, confusion over this is not uncommon; elderly people trying to ingest disinfectants, say, is A Thing, and weird health claims for UV/sunbed aren’t new. It’s just that most senile people don’t really have the platform to promote it.
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poppabox 6y ago
This is very kind, he has no concept of what he's talking about. The man is a bullshitter, and not a great one. 'Here's a word I barely listened to and have no conceptual backing for, what if that word? We're doing great '

useerup 6y ago

No, just a reckless idiot.

rsynnott 6y ago

No, he remains an idiot-idiot. This is not an antiviral.

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klyrs 6y ago

We already have a sizeable population of bleach-drinkers in the US, and he just encouraged them to mainline it. Given that his strongest base is the conspiracy-minded, which has a significant overlap with the bleach drinking and antivax movements, it seems like "idiot" to encourage them to kill themselves. But given how unshakable the misinformation machine is, I suspect that his base will only be strengthened by this move (the deaths will be covered in mainstream media but it's so easy to denounce such reports as conspiracy) -- "savant", then? Oh wait, you mean because he kinda-sorta had a similar suggestion to this absurd medical practice? No. His goal is to stay in power.

stronglikedan 6y ago
> he just encouraged them to mainline it. He never said anything about mainlining bleach though.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  "And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. And is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning?" Bleach, isopropyl alcohol, hydrogen peroxide... Whichever disinfectant he was suggesting injecting into the body, it's not a good idea.
  - stronglikedan 6y ago
    > Bleach, isopropyl alcohol, hydrogen peroxide... UV light injected into the body via fiber optics... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22969680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22969680
- fiblye 6y ago
  Immediately following someone stating that disinfectants like alcohol and bleach can destroy the virus, the president did say it's worth trying out injecting disinfectants. [1] He didn't specifically say "mainlining bleach", but he was referencing injecting one of the aforementioned disinfectants. It's kind of hard to say he didn't. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y#t=2m5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y#t=2m5s