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Hi all, OP here. We were interviewing developers for a project and kept hearing how much they hated looking for a new job. We dug into why and it was usually b

by remyp 6y ago

Hi all, OP here. We were interviewing developers for a project and kept hearing how much they hated looking for a new job. We dug into why and it was usually because they couldn't find companies with the culture and work environment they wanted. They either had to invest a ton of time into research or trust a recruiter. Our tool is different because it matches you with companies who have the culture and work environment you want. And, it skips the black hole that is the modern job application by having companies pitch you. Privacy is very important to us and we built this so that you have complete control of when you share your personal info. You can anonymously ask interested engineering teams questions before you share anything. Feedback requested: 1. Would you use this? 2. What are we missing when it comes to culture and dev environment?

testbot123 6y ago
How do you differentiate from other products like Key Values (https://www.keyvalues.com/ https://www.keyvalues.com/)?
- remyp 6y ago
  Many other products are good at helping you discover companies, which is great! However, what they usually end up doing is funneling you directly to the job application and leaving you on your own. What our product does is take your anonymized profile, present it to companies, and ask them if they're interested. If they are, you may then decline, ask questions directly while staying anonymous, or opt in to a conversation with them without even filling out an application.
jonny_eh 6y ago
> it skips the black hole that is the modern job application by having companies pitch you Like Hired, Vettery, A-list, and Triplebyte? I assume you'd still need to do an interview.
- jschwartzi 6y ago
  It's worth noting a lot of these "skip the black hole" companies only work with web development positions. Vettery, in particular, contacted me repeatedly to try to schedule an interview when I was looking once. When I told the recruiter what it was that I did in software engineering she proceeded to ask me whether I was "full stack," "back-end" or "front-end." I had to try extremely hard to get her to understand that I worked with computers that are embedded inside of devices. So it was very much a waste of time. And even after that they kept trying to get in touch with me for months. Contrast this with traditional recruiters who at least know something about the field they're recruiting into beyond what's in vogue in SFO.
  - bwb 6y ago
    Yep, we are aware and working to get past that limitation. Part of this is trying to make a more efficient and effective "resume" which brings in the right info while maintaining privacy. So a company can only see candidates that are a high match for the culture and work environment they create. And, then they can see candidates who match the position they are hiring for, i.e. an embedded hardware/software position or so on.
    - jschwartzi 6y ago
      The thing is that you don’t have any embedded postings. So there are no companies to match us with. Your first recruiter was at least honest about that. But if you’re only going for web developers you should be honest about that from the start, and when someone then expresses that they aren’t a web developer you should have a way to handle that that doesn’t involve pestering them relentlessly or filing a support ticket and hoping that your engineering team believes it’s a real thing.
      - bwb 6y ago
        Sorry I am not sure I follow. This is for any developers or engineers. What do you mean embedded postings? We don't file any support tickets nor am I sure what you are talking about, can you please explain? Are you sure you have the right post?
- bwb 6y ago
  Yep you would still need to do interviews, but our goal is to connect you with more companies who are a match for the culture and work environment you want... what we don't want is for you to put a job aplication in only to never hear back.
soneca 6y ago
I think a tag list of technologies is irrelevant to both parts (even if it's filled in good faith). For each technology, you could add a list that is a proxy for level of proficiency. Something like: - just started learning - used in simple side-projects - used in complex side-projects - used in simple professional/production projects - used in complex professional/production projects - proficient with years of experience - deep knowledge
- bwb 6y ago
  Thanks, that is great idea and def something on our future list to add nuance!

by remyp 6y ago

testbot123 6y ago

How do you differentiate from other products like Key Values (https://www.keyvalues.com/ https://www.keyvalues.com/)?

remyp 6y ago
Many other products are good at helping you discover companies, which is great! However, what they usually end up doing is funneling you directly to the job application and leaving you on your own. What our product does is take your anonymized profile, present it to companies, and ask them if they're interested. If they are, you may then decline, ask questions directly while staying anonymous, or opt in to a conversation with them without even filling out an application.

jonny_eh 6y ago

> it skips the black hole that is the modern job application by having companies pitch you Like Hired, Vettery, A-list, and Triplebyte? I assume you'd still need to do an interview.

jschwartzi 6y ago
It's worth noting a lot of these "skip the black hole" companies only work with web development positions. Vettery, in particular, contacted me repeatedly to try to schedule an interview when I was looking once. When I told the recruiter what it was that I did in software engineering she proceeded to ask me whether I was "full stack," "back-end" or "front-end." I had to try extremely hard to get her to understand that I worked with computers that are embedded inside of devices. So it was very much a waste of time. And even after that they kept trying to get in touch with me for months. Contrast this with traditional recruiters who at least know something about the field they're recruiting into beyond what's in vogue in SFO.
- bwb 6y ago
  Yep, we are aware and working to get past that limitation. Part of this is trying to make a more efficient and effective "resume" which brings in the right info while maintaining privacy. So a company can only see candidates that are a high match for the culture and work environment they create. And, then they can see candidates who match the position they are hiring for, i.e. an embedded hardware/software position or so on.
  - jschwartzi 6y ago
    The thing is that you don’t have any embedded postings. So there are no companies to match us with. Your first recruiter was at least honest about that. But if you’re only going for web developers you should be honest about that from the start, and when someone then expresses that they aren’t a web developer you should have a way to handle that that doesn’t involve pestering them relentlessly or filing a support ticket and hoping that your engineering team believes it’s a real thing.
    - bwb 6y ago
      Sorry I am not sure I follow. This is for any developers or engineers. What do you mean embedded postings? We don't file any support tickets nor am I sure what you are talking about, can you please explain? Are you sure you have the right post?
bwb 6y ago
Yep you would still need to do interviews, but our goal is to connect you with more companies who are a match for the culture and work environment you want... what we don't want is for you to put a job aplication in only to never hear back.

soneca 6y ago

I think a tag list of technologies is irrelevant to both parts (even if it's filled in good faith). For each technology, you could add a list that is a proxy for level of proficiency. Something like: - just started learning - used in simple side-projects - used in complex side-projects - used in simple professional/production projects - used in complex professional/production projects - proficient with years of experience - deep knowledge

bwb 6y ago
Thanks, that is great idea and def something on our future list to add nuance!