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What is Xubu's position on snap? It seems to be at odds with other design goals of this lovely distro. (I've used it for a while, but recently switch back to K

by cies 7y ago

What is Xubu's position on snap? It seems to be at odds with other design goals of this lovely distro. (I've used it for a while, but recently switch back to KDE as resource consumption of KDE dropped a lot and is now ballpark on par with Xubu's[1] yet gives me a lot more features an configurability) [1]: https://youtu.be/fo45bo1jvZI?t=78 https://youtu.be/fo45bo1jvZI?t=78

stingraycharles 7y ago
Isn’t snap entirely optional? I don’t understand why all of a sudden this is being brought up with each of these releases, as far as I know it was in Ubuntu for years already?
- asicsp 7y ago
  as per [0] (see comments) Chromium is snap only, even if you do `apt install` [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22954442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22954442
- cies 7y ago
  Its installed by default and removing it leaves you with some apps (notably Chrome) missing. I found a way to remove snap[1] and get Chromium from Debian[2]. But I'm close to leaving the buntus over this drama (see [1] for my reasons to hate it). [1] https://github.com/cies/kubuntu-setup#remove-snap https://github.com/cies/kubuntu-setup#remove-snap [2] https://github.com/cies/kubuntu-setup/tree/master/chromium https://github.com/cies/kubuntu-setup/tree/master/chromium
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - easytiger 7y ago
    Snap is total junk and needs to be binned. Also agree KDE has now finally got back to feature parity and the usability of KDE 2 in 2005.
  - sq_ 7y ago
    Even without the specific downsides of snap that you've noted, having two parallel package managers that each have zero visibility into each other feels like such an antipattern and UX failure to me. Needing to use two different tools to figure out what's actually installed on my system annoys me to no end, and, like you, it's pretty much caused me to abandon the *buntus at this point.
    - cies 7y ago
      To have pretty much all my 3rd party software installed through one system was really great! I remember installing a Linux in 30mins and a Windows in 5hours. What distro did you run to?
      - sq_ 7y ago
        I ended up heading off to Arch. I've always enjoyed messing around with nonstandard desktop setups, and it was really appealing for that because of the lean default system that Arch provides, along with the availability of so much software through the AUR. One perk of the AUR (although it does come with some security concerns, etc.) is that you can use one of several package managers to handle both it and the standard repositories under one framework, dealing with exactly the issue I had with snap without needing PPAs and the like.
  - Shared404 7y ago
    It may be worth checking out Pop!_Os, it will include flatpak, but it treats it as a fallback when a deb isn't available.
- tssva 7y ago
  It is being brought up because with the Ubuntu 20.04 release snap is now the default method for package installation. The software store is now the Snap Store and apt packages can no longer be installed through it. Also for some packages trying to install the apt package will just result in the snap version being installed anyways.
pndy 7y ago
I don't see anything mentioned on Xubuntu's wiki release notes [1], but they do mention "The main Ubuntu Release Notes" and section on that page describes snap packages status [2]. We can assume that Xubuntu team don't have much choice in this matter and can only follow the main Ubuntu distro decisions and directions. On the other hand, Xubuntu doesn't come with telemetry/statistics feature during installation and as I was told on IRC channel team doesn't plant to include it - but that's completely different thing, I guess. [1] - https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/20.04/release-notes https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/20.04/release-notes [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Snap_Store https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Snap_Store

by cies 7y ago

stingraycharles 7y ago

Isn’t snap entirely optional? I don’t understand why all of a sudden this is being brought up with each of these releases, as far as I know it was in Ubuntu for years already?

asicsp 7y ago
as per [0] (see comments) Chromium is snap only, even if you do `apt install` [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22954442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22954442
cies 7y ago
Its installed by default and removing it leaves you with some apps (notably Chrome) missing. I found a way to remove snap[1] and get Chromium from Debian[2]. But I'm close to leaving the buntus over this drama (see [1] for my reasons to hate it). [1] https://github.com/cies/kubuntu-setup#remove-snap https://github.com/cies/kubuntu-setup#remove-snap [2] https://github.com/cies/kubuntu-setup/tree/master/chromium https://github.com/cies/kubuntu-setup/tree/master/chromium
- deleted 7y ago
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- easytiger 7y ago
  Snap is total junk and needs to be binned. Also agree KDE has now finally got back to feature parity and the usability of KDE 2 in 2005.
- sq_ 7y ago
  Even without the specific downsides of snap that you've noted, having two parallel package managers that each have zero visibility into each other feels like such an antipattern and UX failure to me. Needing to use two different tools to figure out what's actually installed on my system annoys me to no end, and, like you, it's pretty much caused me to abandon the *buntus at this point.
  - cies 7y ago
    To have pretty much all my 3rd party software installed through one system was really great! I remember installing a Linux in 30mins and a Windows in 5hours. What distro did you run to?
    - sq_ 7y ago
      I ended up heading off to Arch. I've always enjoyed messing around with nonstandard desktop setups, and it was really appealing for that because of the lean default system that Arch provides, along with the availability of so much software through the AUR. One perk of the AUR (although it does come with some security concerns, etc.) is that you can use one of several package managers to handle both it and the standard repositories under one framework, dealing with exactly the issue I had with snap without needing PPAs and the like.
- Shared404 7y ago
  It may be worth checking out Pop!_Os, it will include flatpak, but it treats it as a fallback when a deb isn't available.
tssva 7y ago
It is being brought up because with the Ubuntu 20.04 release snap is now the default method for package installation. The software store is now the Snap Store and apt packages can no longer be installed through it. Also for some packages trying to install the apt package will just result in the snap version being installed anyways.

pndy 7y ago

I don't see anything mentioned on Xubuntu's wiki release notes [1], but they do mention "The main Ubuntu Release Notes" and section on that page describes snap packages status [2]. We can assume that Xubuntu team don't have much choice in this matter and can only follow the main Ubuntu distro decisions and directions. On the other hand, Xubuntu doesn't come with telemetry/statistics feature during installation and as I was told on IRC channel team doesn't plant to include it - but that's completely different thing, I guess. [1] - https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/20.04/release-notes https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/20.04/release-notes [2] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Snap_Store https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Snap_Store