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Can you describe taken measures in Sweden?

henrikschroder 6y ago
I feel like a broken record at this point, so I'll just copy-paste from a comment I wrote yesterday: "Universities are closed, high schools are closed, elementary schools are half-empty, people that can work from home do so, a lot of employees have been furloughed, restaurants have switched to mostly take-out, bars are closed, large events are cancelled, grocery stores reserve hours in the morning for senior citizens, elder care homes don't accept visitors, travel is way down, and people generally self-isolate and self-quarantine. Field hospitals have been constructed, recently retired healthcare workers have been asked to come back to work, vodka producers have shifted to making hand sanitizer, and other companies have shifted to making PPEs, etc." You can also check out for example Google's mobility reports: https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-17_SE_Mobility_Report_en.pdf https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-17_SE_Mobil...
- tgflynn 6y ago
  So I take it this article: https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/21/analysis-is-sweden-right-in-its-handling-of-covid-19 https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/21/analysis-is-sweden-right... is either incorrect or the policy was changed very recently ? This is not a country divided. And we should also be clear that this is not a country that has done nothing. It has banned large gatherings, closed high schools and universities and told elderly people to self-isolate. But restaurants, bars, primary schools and most businesses are still open. Which directly contradicts your statement. (Your statement says that bars are closed while this article claims they are open.)
  - henrikschroder 6y ago
    That article is mostly correct, and policy wasn't changed very recently. High schools and universities closed mid-March, for example. But the article is slightly weaselly in its wording. Yes, bars and restaurants are open, but it's take-out or table service only, and you typically leave every other table empty so that people are sitting 2m away from everyone else. The actual bar part of bars and restaurants are closed. Note how the picture in that article is taken at a low angle so you can't clearly see the spacing between the people at the tables. A photo from the side would show a completely different picture.
    - null_object 6y ago
      I live in central Stockholm, and the picture you're presenting is not true at all. People are socializing in large groups, both in bars and restaurants, and also out in parks and open spaces. Of course numbers are down - it's not everyone that's partying - but the voluntary restrictions are absolutely not being followed by the majority of younger (and somewhat older) people.
- null_object 6y ago
  "Bars and restaurants are closed" is directly untrue. They are open as normal, but are encouraged to follow a 'distance-between-tables' guideline. https://www.thelocal.se/20200420/coronavirus-will-sweden-ever-have-a-total-lockdown https://www.thelocal.se/20200420/coronavirus-will-sweden-eve...
  - detaro 6y ago
    Parent didn't claim restaurants are closed. Also, what I hear from friends in Sweden the bars in their area are indeed closed: there's little point in being open if nobody goes there, even you're legally allowed to be open. Of course no data how universal that experience is, given that a lot of this relies on voluntary actions I expect it varies widely across the country, which might explain the difference in representation by different folks. I don't think it's fair to say Swedes are doing "nothing", but it's clearly less than many other countries have been enforcing.
    - null_object 6y ago
      >I hear from friends in Sweden the bars in their area are indeed closed I can assure you that's not true. All bars are open exactly as normal. Where are your friends located?
      - henrikschroder 6y ago
        https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-17_SE_Mobility_Report_en.pdf https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-17_SE_Mobil... Google Mobility Report says "Retail and recreation" is down 27% in Stockholms län. Blunt statistics, but you can't pretend an almost 1/3 drop in business is anywhere near normal. Some areas of the city look almost normal, yes, but other areas of the city are deserted wastelands. I'm sorry you are surrounded by idiots who are ignoring the official recommendations, but statistics show that your experience isn't universal.
        null_object 6y ago

I feel like a broken record at this point, so I'll just copy-paste from a comment I wrote yesterday: "Universities are closed, high schools are closed, elementary schools are half-empty, people that can work from home do so, a lot of employees have been furloughed, restaurants have switched to mostly take-out, bars are closed, large events are cancelled, grocery stores reserve hours in the morning for senior citizens, elder care homes don't accept visitors, travel is way down, and people generally self-isolate and self-quarantine. Field hospitals have been constructed, recently retired healthcare workers have been asked to come back to work, vodka producers have shifted to making hand sanitizer, and other companies have shifted to making PPEs, etc." You can also check out for example Google's mobility reports: https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-17_SE_Mobility_Report_en.pdf https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-17_SE_Mobil...

tgflynn 6y ago
So I take it this article: https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/21/analysis-is-sweden-right-in-its-handling-of-covid-19 https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/21/analysis-is-sweden-right... is either incorrect or the policy was changed very recently ? This is not a country divided. And we should also be clear that this is not a country that has done nothing. It has banned large gatherings, closed high schools and universities and told elderly people to self-isolate. But restaurants, bars, primary schools and most businesses are still open. Which directly contradicts your statement. (Your statement says that bars are closed while this article claims they are open.)
- henrikschroder 6y ago
  That article is mostly correct, and policy wasn't changed very recently. High schools and universities closed mid-March, for example. But the article is slightly weaselly in its wording. Yes, bars and restaurants are open, but it's take-out or table service only, and you typically leave every other table empty so that people are sitting 2m away from everyone else. The actual bar part of bars and restaurants are closed. Note how the picture in that article is taken at a low angle so you can't clearly see the spacing between the people at the tables. A photo from the side would show a completely different picture.
  - null_object 6y ago
    I live in central Stockholm, and the picture you're presenting is not true at all. People are socializing in large groups, both in bars and restaurants, and also out in parks and open spaces. Of course numbers are down - it's not everyone that's partying - but the voluntary restrictions are absolutely not being followed by the majority of younger (and somewhat older) people.
null_object 6y ago
"Bars and restaurants are closed" is directly untrue. They are open as normal, but are encouraged to follow a 'distance-between-tables' guideline. https://www.thelocal.se/20200420/coronavirus-will-sweden-ever-have-a-total-lockdown https://www.thelocal.se/20200420/coronavirus-will-sweden-eve...
- detaro 6y ago
  Parent didn't claim restaurants are closed. Also, what I hear from friends in Sweden the bars in their area are indeed closed: there's little point in being open if nobody goes there, even you're legally allowed to be open. Of course no data how universal that experience is, given that a lot of this relies on voluntary actions I expect it varies widely across the country, which might explain the difference in representation by different folks. I don't think it's fair to say Swedes are doing "nothing", but it's clearly less than many other countries have been enforcing.
  - null_object 6y ago
    >I hear from friends in Sweden the bars in their area are indeed closed I can assure you that's not true. All bars are open exactly as normal. Where are your friends located?
    - henrikschroder 6y ago
      https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-17_SE_Mobility_Report_en.pdf https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-17_SE_Mobil... Google Mobility Report says "Retail and recreation" is down 27% in Stockholms län. Blunt statistics, but you can't pretend an almost 1/3 drop in business is anywhere near normal. Some areas of the city look almost normal, yes, but other areas of the city are deserted wastelands. I'm sorry you are surrounded by idiots who are ignoring the official recommendations, but statistics show that your experience isn't universal.
      - null_object 6y ago