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I'm Swedish and this is not true at all, please stop spreading misinformation

by styren 6y ago

fiblye 6y ago
Every media source I've come across says that Sweden is doing practically nothing compared to its neighbors.[1][2][3] They're also coincidentally suffering from far higher infection rates than their neighbors. I've seen nothing saying they're making strong efforts aside from comments posted here and there, but I'd be interested in seeing sources. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/how-sweden-and-norway-handled-coronavirus-differently-2020-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-sweden-and-norway-handle... [2] https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/21213472/coronavirus-sweden-herd-immunity-cases-death https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/21213472/coronavirus-sweden-her... [3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/10/sweden-continues-with-controversial-coronavirus-strategy-is-it-a-big-mistake/#2360d4b228a2 https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/10/sweden-...
- henrikschroder 6y ago
  Try this article: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/can-you-beat-covid-19-without-a-lockdown-sweden-is-trying https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/can-you-beat-covid-1... "To start with, it’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers." "Second, contrary to the claims of John Fund and Joel Hay and many others, Sweden isn’t trying to develop “herd immunity,” meaning a state of affairs in which so many people get the virus that the virus runs out of kindling. (At least, Swedish officials claim they aren’t doing this, and they would have a lot to lose by lying about it.) Instead, Sweden intends to take as loose an approach as possible that still keeps case growth down to nonexponential numbers." "With these premises in mind, Sweden has pumped the brakes instead of slamming on them. You close school for older kids, but you keep grade school going, because evidence so far suggests that younger children are not a major cause of transmission for the novel coronavirus."
  - null_object 6y ago
    That is an amazingly naive and biased article. You seem to be very keen on accurate statistics - so how do you square the statement that: >Sweden has a mortality rate that’s only about twice as high as that of Denmark, which has a strict lockdown Sweden's mortality rate per million: 198.5 Denmark: 68 "about twice"? Not to mention: Norway: 36.5 per million Finland: 31.2 Strictly speaking, we shouldn't even compare ourselves to Denmark, whose population is much more geographically concentrated. By far the closest demographic match is Norway - where the mortality rate is 1/6.

I'm Swedish and this is not true at all, please stop spreading misinformation

by styren 6y ago

I'm Swedish and this is not true at all, please stop spreading misinformation

Every media source I've come across says that Sweden is doing practically nothing compared to its neighbors.[1][2][3] They're also coincidentally suffering from far higher infection rates than their neighbors. I've seen nothing saying they're making strong efforts aside from comments posted here and there, but I'd be interested in seeing sources. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/how-sweden-and-norway-handled-coronavirus-differently-2020-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-sweden-and-norway-handle... [2] https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/21213472/coronavirus-sweden-herd-immunity-cases-death https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/21213472/coronavirus-sweden-her... [3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/10/sweden-continues-with-controversial-coronavirus-strategy-is-it-a-big-mistake/#2360d4b228a2 https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/10/sweden-...

henrikschroder 6y ago
Try this article: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/can-you-beat-covid-19-without-a-lockdown-sweden-is-trying https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/can-you-beat-covid-1... "To start with, it’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers." "Second, contrary to the claims of John Fund and Joel Hay and many others, Sweden isn’t trying to develop “herd immunity,” meaning a state of affairs in which so many people get the virus that the virus runs out of kindling. (At least, Swedish officials claim they aren’t doing this, and they would have a lot to lose by lying about it.) Instead, Sweden intends to take as loose an approach as possible that still keeps case growth down to nonexponential numbers." "With these premises in mind, Sweden has pumped the brakes instead of slamming on them. You close school for older kids, but you keep grade school going, because evidence so far suggests that younger children are not a major cause of transmission for the novel coronavirus."
- null_object 6y ago
  That is an amazingly naive and biased article. You seem to be very keen on accurate statistics - so how do you square the statement that: >Sweden has a mortality rate that’s only about twice as high as that of Denmark, which has a strict lockdown Sweden's mortality rate per million: 198.5 Denmark: 68 "about twice"? Not to mention: Norway: 36.5 per million Finland: 31.2 Strictly speaking, we shouldn't even compare ourselves to Denmark, whose population is much more geographically concentrated. By far the closest demographic match is Norway - where the mortality rate is 1/6.