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>Depends on the project, but I'd wager, that software development is a _bit_ more complex than plumbing in many cases. This is an incredibly ignorant statement

>Depends on the project, but I'd wager, that software development is a _bit_ more complex than plumbing in many cases. This is an incredibly ignorant statement. Have you worked in that profession? Any professional engineering roles? But that all doesn't really matter because the statement becomes meaningless when qualified with "Depends on the project[...]"

zelphirkalt 7y ago
Really incredible, when you have to go through university for at least 5 years, with heavy technical and at least for me mathematical lectures. Also incredible, when the complexity of IT systems is ever rising. Incredible, when we basically have to build mathematically correct systems, to make sure things work exactly like they should, including weird user wanted behavior, just for historical reasons. Also weird, that working in IT often requires a degree and that degree has requirements in educational background, which do not exist for plumbing. Besides all this incredibility, yes, I do work professionally in an engineering role. Limiting a statement is not the same as a completely making it meaningless. Of course there are plumbing projects, which are more complex than a static blog. Besides that, I would also like to remind you of the little part of the phrase "I'd wager that". I did not know, that it is an "ignorant" statement, to express ones believes.
jsjw7sbw 7y ago
I think it's normal to assume averages when comparing things. I would be interested in some experiments of average developers learning average plumbing vs average plumbers learning average development. I'd wager theres an order of magnitude difference in the results(time spent, quality etc).
3pt14159 7y ago
I've worked as a structural engineer (EIT) before. There are some situations where structures are complex (earthquake modelling and really large bridges) but honestly software is way, way more complex than structures. I'm not saying I agree with the contributed article (I think people should be sorry for bugs they missed, at least to a point) but I have some empathy for the fact that even seasoned developers let bugs in despite all the tests, and lints, and monitoring, and best practices. Sometimes you just don't anticipate something and nobody else around you did either. It's a more complex domain than the forces in the physical world, and unlike the physical world in most cases, the same mistake goes to everyone. One electrician screws up one time and one house burns down to the ground. One software engineer screws up one time and well everyone's shit breaks at the same time.

zelphirkalt 7y ago

Really incredible, when you have to go through university for at least 5 years, with heavy technical and at least for me mathematical lectures. Also incredible, when the complexity of IT systems is ever rising. Incredible, when we basically have to build mathematically correct systems, to make sure things work exactly like they should, including weird user wanted behavior, just for historical reasons. Also weird, that working in IT often requires a degree and that degree has requirements in educational background, which do not exist for plumbing. Besides all this incredibility, yes, I do work professionally in an engineering role. Limiting a statement is not the same as a completely making it meaningless. Of course there are plumbing projects, which are more complex than a static blog. Besides that, I would also like to remind you of the little part of the phrase "I'd wager that". I did not know, that it is an "ignorant" statement, to express ones believes.

jsjw7sbw 7y ago

I think it's normal to assume averages when comparing things. I would be interested in some experiments of average developers learning average plumbing vs average plumbers learning average development. I'd wager theres an order of magnitude difference in the results(time spent, quality etc).

3pt14159 7y ago

I've worked as a structural engineer (EIT) before. There are some situations where structures are complex (earthquake modelling and really large bridges) but honestly software is way, way more complex than structures. I'm not saying I agree with the contributed article (I think people should be sorry for bugs they missed, at least to a point) but I have some empathy for the fact that even seasoned developers let bugs in despite all the tests, and lints, and monitoring, and best practices. Sometimes you just don't anticipate something and nobody else around you did either. It's a more complex domain than the forces in the physical world, and unlike the physical world in most cases, the same mistake goes to everyone. One electrician screws up one time and one house burns down to the ground. One software engineer screws up one time and well everyone's shit breaks at the same time.