In a way yes, I think we never apply the rationality to it rigorously, we for example might not question that relationship. So it is a matter of where do you dr

In a way yes, I think we never apply the rationality to it rigorously, we for example might not question that relationship. So it is a matter of where do you draw the line, and that seems to be a personal choice, which defies an explanation. (And in fact people who try to be rational rigorously seem to behave like psychopaths.) Don't take this thread the wrong way, I like rationality, and I like Julia's writing on the topic. But it seems to have a fundamental limit, so there is a bit of irrationality always required.