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> "This caused app stores to turn into a series of ads and in app purchases." Right, because the core technology PWA is based on, the web, hasn't been tainted

> "This caused app stores to turn into a series of ads and in app purchases." Right, because the core technology PWA is based on, the web, hasn't been tainted with ads.

wyqydsyq 7y ago
How has the web been tainted with ads? Many sites people have put on the web based on their business decisions are, sure. But that doesn't mean the core technology has been fundamentally tainted, any business not operating on a model of generating revenue from passive views generally doesn't display ads on their sites/in their products.
- FridgeSeal 7y ago
  > How has the web been tainted with ads? * https://www.superhighway98.com/seo https://www.superhighway98.com/seo * http://jacek.zlydach.pl/blog/2019-07-31-ads-as-cancer.html http://jacek.zlydach.pl/blog/2019-07-31-ads-as-cancer.html * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04 * https://voxeu.org/article/advertising-major-source-human-dissatisfaction https://voxeu.org/article/advertising-major-source-human-dis... * https://www.forbrukerradet.no/side/new-study-the-advertising-industry-is-systematically-breaking-the-law/ https://www.forbrukerradet.no/side/new-study-the-advertising... * https://danielmiessler.com/blog/google-amp-not-good-thing/ https://danielmiessler.com/blog/google-amp-not-good-thing/ * https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/19/open_source_insider_google_amp_bad_bad_bad/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/19/open_source_insider... The worlds largest advertising company is well known for abusing its position to push technological features and standards that benefit it-even if nobody else does-suppress and hinder competitors and aggressively and continuously trying to erode the open web. Next up, Facebook is notorious for similarly attempting to subvert and erode the open web, whilst simultaneously invading your privacy and using you as psychological lab-rats.
- enos_feedler 7y ago
  I am saying the drive for revenue and the programming model of the web have created an abuse vector for user experience. That's all. We know it's true because platforms that have grown dominant on the web (indexing it, for instance) have to build scores and filters as a layer to protect the user from this. AMP is another example of investing in the protection of users. If it hand't been tainted, the user experience wouldn't need this level of protection from it.

> "This caused app stores to turn into a series of ads and in app purchases." Right, because the core technology PWA is based on, the web, hasn't been tainted with ads.

wyqydsyq 7y ago

How has the web been tainted with ads? Many sites people have put on the web based on their business decisions are, sure. But that doesn't mean the core technology has been fundamentally tainted, any business not operating on a model of generating revenue from passive views generally doesn't display ads on their sites/in their products.

FridgeSeal 7y ago
> How has the web been tainted with ads? * https://www.superhighway98.com/seo https://www.superhighway98.com/seo * http://jacek.zlydach.pl/blog/2019-07-31-ads-as-cancer.html http://jacek.zlydach.pl/blog/2019-07-31-ads-as-cancer.html * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04 * https://voxeu.org/article/advertising-major-source-human-dissatisfaction https://voxeu.org/article/advertising-major-source-human-dis... * https://www.forbrukerradet.no/side/new-study-the-advertising-industry-is-systematically-breaking-the-law/ https://www.forbrukerradet.no/side/new-study-the-advertising... * https://danielmiessler.com/blog/google-amp-not-good-thing/ https://danielmiessler.com/blog/google-amp-not-good-thing/ * https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/19/open_source_insider_google_amp_bad_bad_bad/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/19/open_source_insider... The worlds largest advertising company is well known for abusing its position to push technological features and standards that benefit it-even if nobody else does-suppress and hinder competitors and aggressively and continuously trying to erode the open web. Next up, Facebook is notorious for similarly attempting to subvert and erode the open web, whilst simultaneously invading your privacy and using you as psychological lab-rats.
enos_feedler 7y ago
I am saying the drive for revenue and the programming model of the web have created an abuse vector for user experience. That's all. We know it's true because platforms that have grown dominant on the web (indexing it, for instance) have to build scores and filters as a layer to protect the user from this. AMP is another example of investing in the protection of users. If it hand't been tainted, the user experience wouldn't need this level of protection from it.