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So, how many deaths are you willing to be responsible for? make sure to scale it up to youtube size.

ZenPsycho 6y ago
Really disappointed in hacker news today. Children all of you, crying for the right to scream "fire" in a crowded theater.
- tick_tock_tick 6y ago
  You know they reverse the opinion on that right? You are legally allowed too.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  Ah, this one again. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22914333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22914333 https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...
- liaukovv 6y ago
  Do you even understand how insulting it is to deny other people agency? That's the most insulting thing you can do or say, worse than racism, sexism or whatever else, it is plain denying that the other person is a human with their own free will.
  - ZenPsycho 6y ago
    do you even understand how ridiculous you sound? some tinfoil hat videos might get deleted and suddenly you’re reverse racism ghandi?
    - liaukovv 6y ago
      So you take it upon yourself to tell those heathens what they should think?
      - ZenPsycho 6y ago
        hah, that’s a laugh. normally it’s the guys calling for an end to superstitions that get called heathens. carry on good sir, defend to the death the right for people to sell quack medicine using someone else’s property. i am sure it’s what locke would have done.
        liaukovv 6y ago
        There is a slight difference between educating and outright banning competing ideas. I understand that one is easier than the other
        ZenPsycho 6y ago
        pretty hard to educate people when the tools for distinguishing between bullocks and expwrt opinion are discredited by 1000 yourube videos.
RonanTheGrey 6y ago
Are you aware of how irresponsible a decision-making heuristic that is?
- ZenPsycho 6y ago
  yes that’s why I am mocking the folks who think people dying is fine, and “freedom of speech” is more important.
  - RonanTheGrey 6y ago
    I think you missed my point. "EVERYONE IS GONNA DIE AHHHHHHHH!!!!!" is not a good basis on which to be making planetary policy.
    - ZenPsycho 6y ago
      welcome to the list of hacker news commenters I am extremely disappointed in then. I cannot logically argue you into caring about human life. though personally i don’t think conspiracy theory videos and slippery slope arguments are more important.
      - RonanTheGrey 6y ago
        I'd argue you care about human life less than you think I do. Lockdowns are not about saving lives, you know that right? It's about making it take longer to kill who it is going to kill -- not overwhelming the hospitals. It doesn't change the actual number of people killed by the virus, at all. That is to say, regardless of the shape of the curve, the area under the curve remains the same. And economic depressions kill people too, in fact in far greater numbers than this virus has, yet. You don't seem to care about those lives either. That's the problem with having a comfortable life. You don't see the consequences of your choices. I live in a place where I see people suffering and starving because they live hand to mouth and can no longer make the $2-$3 dollars a day it takes to keep them alive. They can't go out on the street to sell food. They can't make their few cents helping cars in and out of parking lots. They can't open their "shop" the size of a porta-potty in order to sell a few shirts. And when these conditions spread, crime and death spread with them. I've started to give away what food I can just to try to help whoever I can. All the while, cozy HN commenters who earn $250,000 USD a year pontificating about whether we should shut off the entire planet for 18 months or more because it doesn't affect them one tiny little damn. Nobody arguing for that point of view gives a shit about human life, they want control, plain and simple.
dependenttypes 6y ago
Except people who decide out of their own free will to watch and follow a specific advice and they end up dying due to it are responsible for their own deaths. You can't blame the medium though which said advice propagated. Regardless, as is and by your own belief youtube should be held responsible for the people that end up dying due to following the WHO recommendations instead of what the experts suggest.
- ZenPsycho 6y ago
  by all means inject yourself with bleach as your “expert” suggests but don’t pretend that people deciding to spread covid19 around because they believe it’s caused from miasmas are only hurting themselves.
  - dependenttypes 6y ago
    > but don’t pretend that people deciding to spread covid19 around because they believe it’s caused from miasmas are only hurting themselves. Indeed, asymptotic carriers (as well as healthy people that are going to become asymptotic carriers) following the political crackpot pseudoscience advice from WHO and end up not wearing masks do not harm only themselves but everyone around them as well.
    - ZenPsycho 6y ago
      i used to have faith that reasonable adults could tell the difference between “there is no evidence for X” and “X isn’t true”, thank you for disabusing me of that notion.
      - dependenttypes 6y ago
        I am not referring to the tweet that you think that I am referring to. (plus there was plenty of evidence for said X but this is irrelevant for the discussion) For the next time I would suggest to confirm if you haven't misunderstood something before hurrying to insult the one that you are talking to.

Really disappointed in hacker news today. Children all of you, crying for the right to scream "fire" in a crowded theater.

tick_tock_tick 6y ago
You know they reverse the opinion on that right? You are legally allowed too.
dependenttypes 6y ago
Ah, this one again. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22914333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22914333 https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...
liaukovv 6y ago
Do you even understand how insulting it is to deny other people agency? That's the most insulting thing you can do or say, worse than racism, sexism or whatever else, it is plain denying that the other person is a human with their own free will.
- ZenPsycho 6y ago
  do you even understand how ridiculous you sound? some tinfoil hat videos might get deleted and suddenly you’re reverse racism ghandi?
  - liaukovv 6y ago
    So you take it upon yourself to tell those heathens what they should think?
    - ZenPsycho 6y ago
      hah, that’s a laugh. normally it’s the guys calling for an end to superstitions that get called heathens. carry on good sir, defend to the death the right for people to sell quack medicine using someone else’s property. i am sure it’s what locke would have done.
      - liaukovv 6y ago
        There is a slight difference between educating and outright banning competing ideas. I understand that one is easier than the other
        ZenPsycho 6y ago
        pretty hard to educate people when the tools for distinguishing between bullocks and expwrt opinion are discredited by 1000 yourube videos.

RonanTheGrey 6y ago

Are you aware of how irresponsible a decision-making heuristic that is?

ZenPsycho 6y ago
yes that’s why I am mocking the folks who think people dying is fine, and “freedom of speech” is more important.
- RonanTheGrey 6y ago
  I think you missed my point. "EVERYONE IS GONNA DIE AHHHHHHHH!!!!!" is not a good basis on which to be making planetary policy.
  - ZenPsycho 6y ago
    welcome to the list of hacker news commenters I am extremely disappointed in then. I cannot logically argue you into caring about human life. though personally i don’t think conspiracy theory videos and slippery slope arguments are more important.
    - RonanTheGrey 6y ago
      I'd argue you care about human life less than you think I do. Lockdowns are not about saving lives, you know that right? It's about making it take longer to kill who it is going to kill -- not overwhelming the hospitals. It doesn't change the actual number of people killed by the virus, at all. That is to say, regardless of the shape of the curve, the area under the curve remains the same. And economic depressions kill people too, in fact in far greater numbers than this virus has, yet. You don't seem to care about those lives either. That's the problem with having a comfortable life. You don't see the consequences of your choices. I live in a place where I see people suffering and starving because they live hand to mouth and can no longer make the $2-$3 dollars a day it takes to keep them alive. They can't go out on the street to sell food. They can't make their few cents helping cars in and out of parking lots. They can't open their "shop" the size of a porta-potty in order to sell a few shirts. And when these conditions spread, crime and death spread with them. I've started to give away what food I can just to try to help whoever I can. All the while, cozy HN commenters who earn $250,000 USD a year pontificating about whether we should shut off the entire planet for 18 months or more because it doesn't affect them one tiny little damn. Nobody arguing for that point of view gives a shit about human life, they want control, plain and simple.

dependenttypes 6y ago

Except people who decide out of their own free will to watch and follow a specific advice and they end up dying due to it are responsible for their own deaths. You can't blame the medium though which said advice propagated. Regardless, as is and by your own belief youtube should be held responsible for the people that end up dying due to following the WHO recommendations instead of what the experts suggest.

ZenPsycho 6y ago
by all means inject yourself with bleach as your “expert” suggests but don’t pretend that people deciding to spread covid19 around because they believe it’s caused from miasmas are only hurting themselves.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  > but don’t pretend that people deciding to spread covid19 around because they believe it’s caused from miasmas are only hurting themselves. Indeed, asymptotic carriers (as well as healthy people that are going to become asymptotic carriers) following the political crackpot pseudoscience advice from WHO and end up not wearing masks do not harm only themselves but everyone around them as well.
  - ZenPsycho 6y ago
    i used to have faith that reasonable adults could tell the difference between “there is no evidence for X” and “X isn’t true”, thank you for disabusing me of that notion.
    - dependenttypes 6y ago
      I am not referring to the tweet that you think that I am referring to. (plus there was plenty of evidence for said X but this is irrelevant for the discussion) For the next time I would suggest to confirm if you haven't misunderstood something before hurrying to insult the one that you are talking to.