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Well, than I don't know what to say to you. I have already explained my view on the proportions, I have already given argument and explanation for it, and you s

Well, than I don't know what to say to you. I have already explained my view on the proportions, I have already given argument and explanation for it, and you seem to be intent on not supporting your own conclusions apart from a rather lame "you're a contrarianist" argument. Why not actually defend your arguments and attack mine instead of circling about the issue with "this actual real life example is a what if hypothetical" and hastily drawn up dichotomies? (Particularly this hammering that these are contrived examples is bordering on the ridiculous: we know this is true!) You've lost your benefit of the doubt with this comment.

glenstein 7y ago
>(Particularly this hammering that these are contrived examples is bordering on the ridiculous: we know this is true!) I'm just going to note you agree that these examples are contrived yet nevertheless want to debate them, apparently to performatively exhibit your appreciation for the values open-mindedness and free speech. That's a not a constructive use of anybody's time. It's a frivolous distraction. Youtube is doing what they can to save lives by stopping misinformation in the face of a global pandemic. If you're more interested in turning this into a navel gazing exercise, I'd say you're suffering from a serious lack of perspective.
- jshevek 7y ago
  >Youtube is doing what they can to save lives by stopping misinformation... I'm shocked that anyone would believe that this is an honest framing of YouTube's motivation.
  - AgentME 7y ago
    What do you think their real motivation is? Take advantage of this event to take their place as the Ministry of Truth and censor their way into being at the top of the New World Order? Or maybe they really just weren't happy with airing content at their scale that's practically guaranteed to help cause a lot of people to hurt themselves. (Or they think their advertisers aren't happy with doing that... which I think is pretty equivalent, because it involves people feeling the same thing leading to the same result.)
    - Legogris 7y ago
      > What do you think their real motivation is? How about political pressure?
      - jshevek 7y ago
        I try not to engage with people who go directly to snarky extremist characterization, as above. But yes, political agendas are a factor here, as is simple appeasement.
        AgentME 7y ago
        Who are they trying to appease? Trump? What agenda are they pushing specifically? "Don't get yourself infected or do ridiculous dangerous things to try to cure yourself"? Is that specific agenda bad?
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  More like youtube is doing what they can to support a certain political position with disregard for human lives. If anything the WHO recommendations themselves are misinformation.

glenstein 7y ago

>(Particularly this hammering that these are contrived examples is bordering on the ridiculous: we know this is true!) I'm just going to note you agree that these examples are contrived yet nevertheless want to debate them, apparently to performatively exhibit your appreciation for the values open-mindedness and free speech. That's a not a constructive use of anybody's time. It's a frivolous distraction. Youtube is doing what they can to save lives by stopping misinformation in the face of a global pandemic. If you're more interested in turning this into a navel gazing exercise, I'd say you're suffering from a serious lack of perspective.

jshevek 7y ago
>Youtube is doing what they can to save lives by stopping misinformation... I'm shocked that anyone would believe that this is an honest framing of YouTube's motivation.
- AgentME 7y ago
  What do you think their real motivation is? Take advantage of this event to take their place as the Ministry of Truth and censor their way into being at the top of the New World Order? Or maybe they really just weren't happy with airing content at their scale that's practically guaranteed to help cause a lot of people to hurt themselves. (Or they think their advertisers aren't happy with doing that... which I think is pretty equivalent, because it involves people feeling the same thing leading to the same result.)
  - Legogris 7y ago
    > What do you think their real motivation is? How about political pressure?
    - jshevek 7y ago
      I try not to engage with people who go directly to snarky extremist characterization, as above. But yes, political agendas are a factor here, as is simple appeasement.
      - AgentME 7y ago
        Who are they trying to appease? Trump? What agenda are they pushing specifically? "Don't get yourself infected or do ridiculous dangerous things to try to cure yourself"? Is that specific agenda bad?
dependenttypes 7y ago
More like youtube is doing what they can to support a certain political position with disregard for human lives. If anything the WHO recommendations themselves are misinformation.