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> The majority of WHO controversies are made up If you don't mind me asking, could you please provide the source for one WHO controversy that is made up? Prefe

> The majority of WHO controversies are made up If you don't mind me asking, could you please provide the source for one WHO controversy that is made up? Preferably one of the large ones, if applicable.

dijit 6y ago
Well, the majority of the issues seem to stem from the 'pro-china' stance which, aside from one persons fumbling reply has no real basis. The journalist was a bit of a poison pill there asking an intentionally loaded question. The WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan because the U.N doesn't. Not because of China. Here's a bit of "Why" the WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan: https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/why-does-who-exclude-taiwan https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/why-does-who-exclude-taiwan Here's a bit on the Racist campaign against the director of the WHO: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-rejects-who-chiefs-claim-of-campaign-against-him-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/2020/04/09/ab1c8e8a-7a0e-11ea-a311-adb1344719a9_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-rej...
- e2021 6y ago
  It also comes from the Absurdly laudatory praise that WHO was giving China in January about how they were setting standards for transparency and how their quick behavior had saved the world.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    They were hardly unique in that. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1220818115354923009 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/12208181153549230... > China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi! Jan 24!
    - twomoretime 6y ago
      So when it's convenient, we look to Trump as an example? It's terrifying to watch so many people argue back and forth so adamantly defending their sides, meanwhile almost no one even brings up the possibility that they both screwed up. One dimensional politics will be the end of the American Empire.
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        They both screwed up, yes. It's disingenuous to act like the WHO was the only folks doing this at the time, and it's being used to deflect blame - "blame China!" - from the administration.
    - yellowapple 6y ago
      Just because they weren't unique doesn't mean they weren't wrong.
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        Correct. That said, the "WHO praised China!" meme is largely a deflection. Trump, talk radio, and Fox have been pushing it heavily in an attempt to blame others for the US's poor response.
    - e2021 6y ago
      "The WHO is just as trustworthy as Trump" doesn't really seem like a big vote of confidence for the organization. This comeback only makes sense if everything is a purely partisan divide and anyone who is against WHO must be pro-trump.
- SentientBinary 6y ago
  If you want to get into the details. The United Nations does not recognize Taiwan entirely because it is in the interest of China, China's strategic funding of the United Nations, and their institutional power they have as a security council member with Veto power. No other country has an interest in China claiming Taiwan isn't a country. Which it is by all means, they have their own government, land, culture, etc. They are not a part of China, it is just used a source of legitimacy for the commonly threatened and strategic takeover the CCP talks about. So the UN does not recognize Taiwan because of China. It is naive to say that China does not influence these international organizations for political gain. In fact anyone who studies international politics academically would acknowledge that every country who participates in these international organization uses them to gain political influence. I would argue that they exist primarily for political influence, instead of their intended goal; I mean the UN did leave a country right when a genocide started so they didn't have to deal pay to deal with it, among countless examples of it being used for international legitimacy at any cost.

dijit 6y ago

Well, the majority of the issues seem to stem from the 'pro-china' stance which, aside from one persons fumbling reply has no real basis. The journalist was a bit of a poison pill there asking an intentionally loaded question. The WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan because the U.N doesn't. Not because of China. Here's a bit of "Why" the WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan: https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/why-does-who-exclude-taiwan https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/why-does-who-exclude-taiwan Here's a bit on the Racist campaign against the director of the WHO: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-rejects-who-chiefs-claim-of-campaign-against-him-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/2020/04/09/ab1c8e8a-7a0e-11ea-a311-adb1344719a9_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-rej...

e2021 6y ago
It also comes from the Absurdly laudatory praise that WHO was giving China in January about how they were setting standards for transparency and how their quick behavior had saved the world.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  They were hardly unique in that. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1220818115354923009 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/12208181153549230... > China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi! Jan 24!
  - twomoretime 6y ago
    So when it's convenient, we look to Trump as an example? It's terrifying to watch so many people argue back and forth so adamantly defending their sides, meanwhile almost no one even brings up the possibility that they both screwed up. One dimensional politics will be the end of the American Empire.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      They both screwed up, yes. It's disingenuous to act like the WHO was the only folks doing this at the time, and it's being used to deflect blame - "blame China!" - from the administration.
  - yellowapple 6y ago
    Just because they weren't unique doesn't mean they weren't wrong.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      Correct. That said, the "WHO praised China!" meme is largely a deflection. Trump, talk radio, and Fox have been pushing it heavily in an attempt to blame others for the US's poor response.
  - e2021 6y ago
    "The WHO is just as trustworthy as Trump" doesn't really seem like a big vote of confidence for the organization. This comeback only makes sense if everything is a purely partisan divide and anyone who is against WHO must be pro-trump.
SentientBinary 6y ago
If you want to get into the details. The United Nations does not recognize Taiwan entirely because it is in the interest of China, China's strategic funding of the United Nations, and their institutional power they have as a security council member with Veto power. No other country has an interest in China claiming Taiwan isn't a country. Which it is by all means, they have their own government, land, culture, etc. They are not a part of China, it is just used a source of legitimacy for the commonly threatened and strategic takeover the CCP talks about. So the UN does not recognize Taiwan because of China. It is naive to say that China does not influence these international organizations for political gain. In fact anyone who studies international politics academically would acknowledge that every country who participates in these international organization uses them to gain political influence. I would argue that they exist primarily for political influence, instead of their intended goal; I mean the UN did leave a country right when a genocide started so they didn't have to deal pay to deal with it, among countless examples of it being used for international legitimacy at any cost.