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I mean, if you actually dig a bit deeper into the story there, Li Wenliang had no expertise in the field, was going off very little information, and was sending

by knzhou 6y ago

I mean, if you actually dig a bit deeper into the story there, Li Wenliang had no expertise in the field, was going off very little information, and was sending out mass messages saying that SARS had returned (which was absolutely not true; SARS is far worse, with 25x the mortality rate of COVID-19), which would have incited completely panic. Yes, in hindsight they should have listened to him, and back in January I was pissed off about this because it set China’s response back by about a week, but these days a week of wasted time sounds like an excellent performance compared to almost every other country. It’s not about the political system. Imagine an American eye doctor posting on Facebook that Ebola was going around in NYC. They would definitely face immediate professional consequences — probably more than Li Wenliang did. My impression is that the full extent of the consequences he experienced was a stern talking to by the police, which is what you get here when pulled over for speeding.

wolco 6y ago
An ER Doctor reporting about the unusual number of cases is someone who doesn't have enough educational background? If an ear doctor was finding a high number of ebola patients when treating ear conditions you would discount that information because it didn't come from someone study ebola? The frontline doctors are the ones who will see the cases explode first. Arresting him and saying it's nothing, he just had a stern talking to. Just like a parent educating child. Was he putting other lives in jeopardy by sharing the truth or saving lives? Not really the same as speeding. Let's be honest China didn't want to hurt it's imagine and thought they could cover this up. Big mistake, now they look dishonest and investment will be out not in China going forward.
throwaway_USD 6y ago
You are copying and pasting the same responses throughout this entire thread challenging everyone... You are just accepting that what Chinese Authorities told the WHO was true, yet you can't cite any actual written report or data supporting their "preliminary investigation" of the virus and human to human transmission. >Li Wenliang had no expertise in the field, was going off very little information, He was a Dr. in the hospital where the first covid-19 patients were identified and he obtained the information from the treating physician. >Imagine an American eye doctor posting on Facebook that Ebola was going around in NYC. They would definitely face immediate professional consequences — probably more than Li Wenliang did. My impression is that the full extent of the consequences he experienced was a stern talking to by the police, which is what you get here when pulled over for speeding. The US has freedom of speech, no police are going to force a US Doctor to take down a social media post and sign a confession/agreement not to post about a disease again. That is nothing like getting pulled over for speeding, and such a comparison is ridiculous, one is legitimate enforcement of traffic laws and the other is a violation of civil liberties.

by knzhou 6y ago

wolco 6y ago

An ER Doctor reporting about the unusual number of cases is someone who doesn't have enough educational background? If an ear doctor was finding a high number of ebola patients when treating ear conditions you would discount that information because it didn't come from someone study ebola? The frontline doctors are the ones who will see the cases explode first. Arresting him and saying it's nothing, he just had a stern talking to. Just like a parent educating child. Was he putting other lives in jeopardy by sharing the truth or saving lives? Not really the same as speeding. Let's be honest China didn't want to hurt it's imagine and thought they could cover this up. Big mistake, now they look dishonest and investment will be out not in China going forward.

throwaway_USD 6y ago

You are copying and pasting the same responses throughout this entire thread challenging everyone... You are just accepting that what Chinese Authorities told the WHO was true, yet you can't cite any actual written report or data supporting their "preliminary investigation" of the virus and human to human transmission. >Li Wenliang had no expertise in the field, was going off very little information, He was a Dr. in the hospital where the first covid-19 patients were identified and he obtained the information from the treating physician. >Imagine an American eye doctor posting on Facebook that Ebola was going around in NYC. They would definitely face immediate professional consequences — probably more than Li Wenliang did. My impression is that the full extent of the consequences he experienced was a stern talking to by the police, which is what you get here when pulled over for speeding. The US has freedom of speech, no police are going to force a US Doctor to take down a social media post and sign a confession/agreement not to post about a disease again. That is nothing like getting pulled over for speeding, and such a comparison is ridiculous, one is legitimate enforcement of traffic laws and the other is a violation of civil liberties.