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> If amazon copied all your proprietary data, you would almost certainly never notice, no criminal law would apply, and you'd have a hell of a time proving it i
by ethbro 6y ago
> If amazon copied all your proprietary data, you would almost certainly never notice, no criminal law would apply, and you'd have a hell of a time proving it in a civil suit.
For a thought exercise, let's play this out.
Amazon copies data running through VMs (or grabs it from storage).
Let's assume it isn't on hardware certified for capital-letter processing [1], most of which require regular third party audits.
So they have your illegally-obtained data [2], which presumably they want to use to make money.
Except they can't leave any record of its source, in any documented form. This includes server logs, data transfers, emails about data, meeting minutes about data.
So they create some isolated network, run by a third party contractor, that transfers encrypted data from the taps to a store, then decrypts. All of which brings us to the most difficult part.
Who does... what with it?
The source data itself is radioactive. Who knows when "pricing strategy for company X" or obvious equivalent might pop up in the stream?
So you... what? Exclusively touch it via algorithm that outputs only aggregate information? How do you possibly code and maintain that pipeline, sight unseen?
All while risking an incredibly profitable business.
Or, you know, you just operate as an honest IaaS provider and make $10B in revenue / quarter with a 25% growth rate...
[1] https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/programs/ https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/programs/
[2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2511 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2511 (?)
- dv_dt 6y agoI thought Amazon was already organizationally constructed in very small functional units which each are encouraged to export their units "interface" in an formal way. Is the source data traceable if it becomes anonymized product sales samples exported to apis that mix into a pile of legit data and all fed into some sales analysis engine? The unit could be the "open sales modeling unit" that just supplies one data feed among thousands.
- xtreme 6y agoSometimes you can learn a lot from the metadata without actually looking into the actual data stream. For example, if B&H was hosted on AWS, Amazon could deduce the effectiveness of their holiday sale tactics by looking at the overall page traffic, DB writes, etc. These metrics are already recorded by Amazon for billing purposes and someone stealing a glance at them would likely leave zero evidence.
- achillesheels 6y agoYou overestimate the competency of short-sighted individuals anxiously striving for a seat closer to Bezos, ie thinking for themselves versus the organization. Ironically, I wonder if such news actually motivates some PMs to ask around...
- ric2b 6y ago> Except they can't leave any record of its source, in any documented form. This includes server logs, data transfers, emails about data, meeting minutes about data. They can certainly take the risk. If crimes only happened when there was a 0% change of getting caught there would be no crime.