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>Given that, who should YouTube use as a source of truth? Why are we expecting a private company to provide "a source of truth"? What happened to the whole ide

>Given that, who should YouTube use as a source of truth? Why are we expecting a private company to provide "a source of truth"? What happened to the whole idea of the Internet being about the free flow of information? >Or should they let 4chan tell your grandma to drink bleach to fight the Rona? Why don't we have parental controls for our parents yet? Why are we applying blanket bans on parts of the Internet when it's clearly a specific subset of the population that needs hand-holding to not injure themselves or others?

subhobroto 7y ago
Apparently I have hit the nerves of lots of people from my parent post and since I am and like to be publicly accessible, people who disliked my thoughts have really let me know what they think of me and where I belong :D I am noticing, increasingly in the country I live in - the U.S., an extremely concerning attitude towards love for censorship. More concerning is that the proponents have "good intentions" at heart. It's almost as if the concept of freedom is not understood. Freedom is not free. Freedom has a price, often a heavy price that one has to pay for it. The fact that we are not children anymore who desparately need oversight and constant handholding, seems to be an alien concept. "Oh! What do you do about those YouTUbe videos that tell you to drink bleach because it saves you from SARS-COV2!" Well, I watch that video and research what the potential effects of drinking bleach even if there was no SARS-COV2 in this world would be and then weigh the potential effects of a COVID-19 infection and weigh the options. This is, what I assumed, were the responsibilites of an adult - a process to make rational decisions instead of being spoonfed and told what to do like one would a child. As I clarified elsewhere on this thread, the point I was making wasn't "liars, cranks and con artists don't exist, and no one gets to decide otherwise." It was "liars, cranks and con artists do exist, and we need to empower people to decide which is which by letting them practise." Yes, being an adult means having the freedom to drink alcohol and drive a car instead of waiting for a bus or a parent to come pick me up. It also means having the responsibilities of making my own decisions instead of waiting for someone else to do it for me. What's the expectation - that if the decision making authority makes a wrong decision that kills me, I can then blame them and collect damages? That's crazy talk - for one, I will be dead already!
- ardy42 7y ago
  Just an FYI, but your thoughts aren't so important you should copy-paste spam them all over the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956559
  - dang 7y ago
    Yes, that's definitely not ok. I replied here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22964687 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22964687
- MauranKilom 7y ago
  The problem is not primarily when you make bad decisions and suffer harm from it. It's when you make bad decisions and others suffer harm from it. You even bring up drunk driving, yet your argument remains exclusively about damage to yourself. Your freedom ends where the freedom of the next person begins. So not only is it "not free", it's also "not boundless". You don't get to kill people intentionally. You also don't get away with it if you do it by gross negligence (such as drunk driving). Inciting violence is an offence in most parts of the world. Not because governments love to be oppressive but because society figured out that it's the point where you cross how much personal freedom you can have without infringing on everyone else's. Where is this point for COVID-19 misinformation? It's a difficult question, and it's unclear what is appropriate and what is overbearing. What is clear is that harm is actively being cause by people propagating this nonsense. Whether an ideal rational adult could cut through it is entirely immaterial to this question, it doesn't stop the harm.

subhobroto 7y ago

Apparently I have hit the nerves of lots of people from my parent post and since I am and like to be publicly accessible, people who disliked my thoughts have really let me know what they think of me and where I belong :D I am noticing, increasingly in the country I live in - the U.S., an extremely concerning attitude towards love for censorship. More concerning is that the proponents have "good intentions" at heart. It's almost as if the concept of freedom is not understood. Freedom is not free. Freedom has a price, often a heavy price that one has to pay for it. The fact that we are not children anymore who desparately need oversight and constant handholding, seems to be an alien concept. "Oh! What do you do about those YouTUbe videos that tell you to drink bleach because it saves you from SARS-COV2!" Well, I watch that video and research what the potential effects of drinking bleach even if there was no SARS-COV2 in this world would be and then weigh the potential effects of a COVID-19 infection and weigh the options. This is, what I assumed, were the responsibilites of an adult - a process to make rational decisions instead of being spoonfed and told what to do like one would a child. As I clarified elsewhere on this thread, the point I was making wasn't "liars, cranks and con artists don't exist, and no one gets to decide otherwise." It was "liars, cranks and con artists do exist, and we need to empower people to decide which is which by letting them practise." Yes, being an adult means having the freedom to drink alcohol and drive a car instead of waiting for a bus or a parent to come pick me up. It also means having the responsibilities of making my own decisions instead of waiting for someone else to do it for me. What's the expectation - that if the decision making authority makes a wrong decision that kills me, I can then blame them and collect damages? That's crazy talk - for one, I will be dead already!

ardy42 7y ago
Just an FYI, but your thoughts aren't so important you should copy-paste spam them all over the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961354 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22961374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956559
- dang 7y ago
  Yes, that's definitely not ok. I replied here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22964687 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22964687
MauranKilom 7y ago
The problem is not primarily when you make bad decisions and suffer harm from it. It's when you make bad decisions and others suffer harm from it. You even bring up drunk driving, yet your argument remains exclusively about damage to yourself. Your freedom ends where the freedom of the next person begins. So not only is it "not free", it's also "not boundless". You don't get to kill people intentionally. You also don't get away with it if you do it by gross negligence (such as drunk driving). Inciting violence is an offence in most parts of the world. Not because governments love to be oppressive but because society figured out that it's the point where you cross how much personal freedom you can have without infringing on everyone else's. Where is this point for COVID-19 misinformation? It's a difficult question, and it's unclear what is appropriate and what is overbearing. What is clear is that harm is actively being cause by people propagating this nonsense. Whether an ideal rational adult could cut through it is entirely immaterial to this question, it doesn't stop the harm.