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> I've been making many posts arguing against the efficacy of lockdowns (and been getting shat on by points I find mostly naive). I skimmed some of your commen

> I've been making many posts arguing against the efficacy of lockdowns (and been getting shat on by points I find mostly naive). I skimmed some of your comment history. Your comments aren't as rock solid as you believe, and there are many points either glossing over things or complete ignorance. > More people will die if the lockdown is lifted, and many of those who would have died anyway will die sooner. Are you really arguing many would have died anyways? How many? What percent? You're ignoring the reality that in regions with overwhelmed healthcare systems they're having to engage in triage (read: many people are dying who would not have died anyways) since they cannot treat everyone. This isn't just for covid-19, but for people with other treatable conditions.

klmadfejno 6y ago
> Your comments aren't as rock solid as you believe, and there are many points either glossing over things or complete ignorance. thanks man. I think you're demonstrating complete ignorance too. For instance, that quote of mine which you posted out of context clearly says the opposite of what you think it says. MORE people will die if the lockdown is lifted, and that those who would have died anyway (if it were not lifted) will die SOONER. Both obvious and uncontroversial. That aside, triaging is very sad, but has a relatively small effect on total deaths, because the people you triage are the most likely to die, given care. This is very very different from random people dying who would not have died anyways. Hospitals that need to deny patients, which as far as I'm aware is just a single region in Italy with one of the oldest most vulnerable populations in the world, are doing so not because they can't actually take more people in for the most basic low level of care, but because there's basically nothing they can do.

klmadfejno 6y ago

> Your comments aren't as rock solid as you believe, and there are many points either glossing over things or complete ignorance. thanks man. I think you're demonstrating complete ignorance too. For instance, that quote of mine which you posted out of context clearly says the opposite of what you think it says. MORE people will die if the lockdown is lifted, and that those who would have died anyway (if it were not lifted) will die SOONER. Both obvious and uncontroversial. That aside, triaging is very sad, but has a relatively small effect on total deaths, because the people you triage are the most likely to die, given care. This is very very different from random people dying who would not have died anyways. Hospitals that need to deny patients, which as far as I'm aware is just a single region in Italy with one of the oldest most vulnerable populations in the world, are doing so not because they can't actually take more people in for the most basic low level of care, but because there's basically nothing they can do.