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this is an excellent idea: safe mode. let people who can't decide for themselves what's safe to watch, let them watch safe mode only. everyone else, should be

this is an excellent idea: safe mode. let people who can't decide for themselves what's safe to watch, let them watch safe mode only. everyone else, should be able to decide for themselves (opt in)

phs318u 6y ago
The problem isn’t letting people decide for themselves. It’s the fact that when it comes to some things, even a small minority “deciding stupid” can destroy the commons eg endanger lots of lives. Isn’t there a saying that’s something like, “your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins”?
- subhobroto 6y ago
  > your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins I live by that philosophy! As I said here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956768 "... if I see you foisting your opinions on what kind of content I get to see, that's you infringing on my freedom and we have a problem." Your quote is more concise and to the point :D
  - phs318u 6y ago
    Except the point I was making is that your right to act on your belief of egregious nonsense ends when it results in harm to me.
    - ken47 6y ago
      Who gets to decide what is nonsense. What happens when society thinks YOU are the one with nonsensical beliefs? "Galileo agreed not to teach the heresy anymore and spent the rest of his life under house arrest. It took more than 300 years for the Church to admit that Galileo was right and to clear his name of heresy." https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/galileo-is-convicted-of-heresy https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/galileo-is-convi...
      - fzeroracer 6y ago
        When people are directly threatening people because they are even slightly linked to 5G towers, or they're peddling nonsense like 'drinking bleach will cure you of corona', then I think it's fair to draw a line in the sand and say those are dangerous, nonsensical beliefs.
        phs318u 6y ago
        But to be fair to the person you’re responding to, you still haven’t answered his actual question - who gets to decide? The example you gave is only “obvious” because the majority think so. However we’re increasingly living in an environment where people are “fleeing the centre”. People have abandoned authority, and are increasingly abandoning science, even to the point of doubting or reinterpreting their own lived experience. The key to “common sense” is “common”. When very little is held in common, where do you find common sense? This is precisely why, in my view, the single greatest danger to mankind is - a “meta-danger” perhaps - is the explosion in deliberate attempts (irrespective of motive - lulz, commercial profit, political influence or psychological warfare) to misinform, sow discord, and erode trust. It is an absolute scourge and is already starting to bite us in the collective arse, by limiting our ability to act collectively for objective common good. I have no idea at all how we fight this threat. EDITED: SP. collect > collectively
subhobroto 6y ago
Thank you! I thought is was a good idea too :) Apparently I have hit the nerves of lots of people from my parent post and since I am and like to be publicly accessible, people who disliked my thoughts have really let me know what they think of me and where I belong :D I am noticing, increasingly in the country I live in - the U.S., an extremely concerning attitude towards love for censorship. More concerning is that the proponents have "good intentions" at heart. It's almost as if the concept of freedom is not understood. Freedom is not free. Freedom has a price, often a heavy price that one has to pay for it. The fact that we are not children anymore who desparately need oversight and constant handholding, seems to be an alien concept. "Oh! What do you do about those YouTUbe videos that tell you to drink bleach because it saves you from SARS-COV2!" Well, I watch that video and research what the potential effects of drinking bleach even if there was no SARS-COV2 in this world would be and then weigh the potential effects of a COVID-19 infection and weigh the options. This is, what I assumed, were the responsibilites of an adult - a process to make rational decisions instead of being spoonfed and told what to do like one would a child. As I clarified elsewhere on this thread, the point I was making wasn't "liars, cranks and con artists don't exist, and no one gets to decide otherwise." It was "liars, cranks and con artists do exist, and we need to empower people to decide which is which by letting them practise." Yes, being an adult means having the freedom to drink alcohol and drive a car instead of waiting for a bus or a parent to come pick me up. It also means having the responsibilities of making my own decisions instead of waiting for someone else to do it for me. What's the expectation - that if the decision making authority makes a wrong decision that kills me, I can then blame them and collect damages? That's crazy talk - for one, I will be dead already!
- dang 6y ago
  You've been posting substantially the same comments many times. That's not cool, and we ban accounts that keep doing this. Please don't post any more duplicate content to HN. It adds noise.

this is an excellent idea: safe mode. let people who can't decide for themselves what's safe to watch, let them watch safe mode only. everyone else, should be able to decide for themselves (opt in)

phs318u 6y ago

The problem isn’t letting people decide for themselves. It’s the fact that when it comes to some things, even a small minority “deciding stupid” can destroy the commons eg endanger lots of lives. Isn’t there a saying that’s something like, “your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins”?

subhobroto 6y ago
> your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins I live by that philosophy! As I said here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956768 "... if I see you foisting your opinions on what kind of content I get to see, that's you infringing on my freedom and we have a problem." Your quote is more concise and to the point :D
- phs318u 6y ago
  Except the point I was making is that your right to act on your belief of egregious nonsense ends when it results in harm to me.
  - ken47 6y ago
    Who gets to decide what is nonsense. What happens when society thinks YOU are the one with nonsensical beliefs? "Galileo agreed not to teach the heresy anymore and spent the rest of his life under house arrest. It took more than 300 years for the Church to admit that Galileo was right and to clear his name of heresy." https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/galileo-is-convicted-of-heresy https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/galileo-is-convi...
    - fzeroracer 6y ago
      When people are directly threatening people because they are even slightly linked to 5G towers, or they're peddling nonsense like 'drinking bleach will cure you of corona', then I think it's fair to draw a line in the sand and say those are dangerous, nonsensical beliefs.
      - phs318u 6y ago
        But to be fair to the person you’re responding to, you still haven’t answered his actual question - who gets to decide? The example you gave is only “obvious” because the majority think so. However we’re increasingly living in an environment where people are “fleeing the centre”. People have abandoned authority, and are increasingly abandoning science, even to the point of doubting or reinterpreting their own lived experience. The key to “common sense” is “common”. When very little is held in common, where do you find common sense? This is precisely why, in my view, the single greatest danger to mankind is - a “meta-danger” perhaps - is the explosion in deliberate attempts (irrespective of motive - lulz, commercial profit, political influence or psychological warfare) to misinform, sow discord, and erode trust. It is an absolute scourge and is already starting to bite us in the collective arse, by limiting our ability to act collectively for objective common good. I have no idea at all how we fight this threat. EDITED: SP. collect > collectively

subhobroto 6y ago

Thank you! I thought is was a good idea too :) Apparently I have hit the nerves of lots of people from my parent post and since I am and like to be publicly accessible, people who disliked my thoughts have really let me know what they think of me and where I belong :D I am noticing, increasingly in the country I live in - the U.S., an extremely concerning attitude towards love for censorship. More concerning is that the proponents have "good intentions" at heart. It's almost as if the concept of freedom is not understood. Freedom is not free. Freedom has a price, often a heavy price that one has to pay for it. The fact that we are not children anymore who desparately need oversight and constant handholding, seems to be an alien concept. "Oh! What do you do about those YouTUbe videos that tell you to drink bleach because it saves you from SARS-COV2!" Well, I watch that video and research what the potential effects of drinking bleach even if there was no SARS-COV2 in this world would be and then weigh the potential effects of a COVID-19 infection and weigh the options. This is, what I assumed, were the responsibilites of an adult - a process to make rational decisions instead of being spoonfed and told what to do like one would a child. As I clarified elsewhere on this thread, the point I was making wasn't "liars, cranks and con artists don't exist, and no one gets to decide otherwise." It was "liars, cranks and con artists do exist, and we need to empower people to decide which is which by letting them practise." Yes, being an adult means having the freedom to drink alcohol and drive a car instead of waiting for a bus or a parent to come pick me up. It also means having the responsibilities of making my own decisions instead of waiting for someone else to do it for me. What's the expectation - that if the decision making authority makes a wrong decision that kills me, I can then blame them and collect damages? That's crazy talk - for one, I will be dead already!

dang 6y ago
You've been posting substantially the same comments many times. That's not cool, and we ban accounts that keep doing this. Please don't post any more duplicate content to HN. It adds noise.