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Not even mentioning they are playing a dangerous censorhip game, it's very weird that they pick the WHO over the CDC after all the WHO controversies. (Taiwan, s
by hartator 7y ago
Not even mentioning they are playing a dangerous censorhip game, it's very weird that they pick the WHO over the CDC after all the WHO controversies. (Taiwan, slow COVID-19 response, alignment with China lines, head of WHO was part of the corrupt Ethiopian government, $200M in business class travel, and probably more scandals.)
CDC has also a way bigger budget than the WHO. $11.1B vs $4.2B.
Ref:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_an...
- dijit 7y agoThe majority of WHO controversies are made up, the WHO are not a political entity so they do not want to comment at all on political issues; and whatever you want to say about Taiwan it is a very heated political situation. That's also the evidence of "alignment with china": because we in the west see a failure to recognise taiwan as siding with china. Which is odd because the USA doesn't officially recognise Taiwan itself. In fact the WHO did almost exactly what a US diplomat would have done- albeit a bit delayed. Corruption not withstanding (yeah, it's unfortunate but that thing is going to happen, what matters is the response not that it happened) it's better to have a bipartisan global concerted effort to manage these things than the centralised health organisation of a single country. Even though that country is the homestead of the service in question.
- gnusty_gnurc 7y ago> The majority of WHO controversies are made up, the WHO are not a political entity so they do not want to comment at all on political issues; and whatever you want to say about Taiwan it is a very heated political situation. They make overt political statements all the time. For one: calling Taiwan racist when it took issue with the WHO’s inaction after their attempts to disseminate health information. Then Tedros calling travel bans “stigmatic.” Precisely when travel bans were needed at the onset of the spreading. If WHO is supposed to be apolitical, it shouldn’t be parroting Chinese talking points.
- dijit 7y agoPlease don't twist the situation. The Head of the WHO was attacked by racist trolls who were outwardly Taiwanese; for excluding Taiwan from membership (like _all_ U.N. projects do), And he commented about the abuse. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/taiwan-who-tedros-racism-china.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/taiwan-who-tedro...
- jdminhbg 7y agoHe "commented about the abuse" in order to deflect from a question about why the WHO didn't take Taiwan's warnings seriously.
- dijit 7y agoI think you're missing the point. Taiwan does not exist as an entity to the WHO because it is not recognised by the United Nations. As much as Taiwan has valuable lessons it's basically akin to asking why the WHO isn't listening to the municipality of sealand. The journalist asking that question in the first place knew that Taiwan is a political hotbed and was looking for a story, they got one and the WHO is under the bus- at a time when we need a united front in healthcare globally. And the racist abuse was entirely real: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-rejects-who-chiefs-claim-of-campaign-against-him-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/2020/04/09/ab1c8e8a-7a0e-11ea-a311-adb1344719a9_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-rej...
- jdminhbg 7y agoIf you think that's an acceptable answer, then Tedros could have given it as an answer instead of an irrelevant diatribe about mean people online. Public health is, like aviation for example, one of those things where recognition of "legitimate" governments has to take a back seat to de facto reality. If the WHO is unable to deal with Taiwan, then we need a different organization that can.
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- tartrate 7y ago> The majority of WHO controversies are made up If you don't mind me asking, could you please provide the source for one WHO controversy that is made up? Preferably one of the large ones, if applicable.
- dijit 7y agoWell, the majority of the issues seem to stem from the 'pro-china' stance which, aside from one persons fumbling reply has no real basis. The journalist was a bit of a poison pill there asking an intentionally loaded question. The WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan because the U.N doesn't. Not because of China. Here's a bit of "Why" the WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan: https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/why-does-who-exclude-taiwan https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/why-does-who-exclude-taiwan Here's a bit on the Racist campaign against the director of the WHO: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-rejects-who-chiefs-claim-of-campaign-against-him-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/2020/04/09/ab1c8e8a-7a0e-11ea-a311-adb1344719a9_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-rej...
- e2021 7y agoIt also comes from the Absurdly laudatory praise that WHO was giving China in January about how they were setting standards for transparency and how their quick behavior had saved the world.
- ceejayoz 7y agoThey were hardly unique in that. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1220818115354923009 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/12208181153549230... > China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi! Jan 24!
- twomoretime 7y agoSo when it's convenient, we look to Trump as an example? It's terrifying to watch so many people argue back and forth so adamantly defending their sides, meanwhile almost no one even brings up the possibility that they both screwed up. One dimensional politics will be the end of the American Empire.
- esejf 7y agowhat planet do you live on?
- dijit 7y agoEarth.
- oh_come_on 7y agoWumao
- busymom0 7y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41702662 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41702662 The director of WHO tried to make Robert Mugabe the goodwill ambassador. How exactly is this "made up" and not "political"?
- JSavageOne 7y ago> the WHO are not a political entity so they do not want to comment at all on political issues; The WHO is very much a political entity in the pockets of the Chinese Communist Party. There's a difference between refusing to comment on Taiwan and pretending like Taiwan doesn't exist. Ignoring the political aspect, they've dealt with this crisis terribly, being slow to respond and giving downright false advice like telling people not to wear masks.
- est 7y ago> pretending like Taiwan doesn't exist https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/29-03-2020-information-sharing-on-covid-19 https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/29-03-2020-information-...
- JSavageOne 7y agoDid you watch the video of the WHO representative when asked directly about Taiwan pretending like he didn't hear the question, disconnecting, and then talking about China without so much as even mentioning the word "Taiwan"? https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1243940506511400960 https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/124394050651140096...
- jonny_eh 7y agoDoes the CDC recognize Taiwan?
- krrrh 7y agoPerhaps not as a state, but it seems as likely that they would recognize data and observations given to them from Taiwan as they would data given to them from Hong Kong... or from Hubei.
- MisterBastahrd 7y agoYou mean the same CDC that is part of a hilariously corrupt US government?