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The obsession with this phone never ceases to amaze me. I'm really trying to get it but I think there's very vocal minority discussing this: american iphone f

The obsession with this phone never ceases to amaze me. I'm really trying to get it but I think there's very vocal minority discussing this: american iphone fans. I would never imagine buying a 64GB non-expandable phone with a single camera and such absurd screen for 480€ in 2020. New 128GB+sd slot s10e is around 450€ and that did small form factor _right_. For a tech forum the iphone se obsession just seems so alien to the point where it all feels like astroturfing.

mitjak 6y ago
i'm not disagreeing with you but, replace "this phone" with "any iPhone" or "any Mac" over the course of post-OS X Apple history.
- kabacha 6y ago
  I disagree with you, I'm personally not a fan of apple but I admit that majority apple products can really compete even in non-apple countries. It's a bit extra but you get some premium features like stronger frame or higher resolution screen. With iPhone SE you get absolutely nothing extra other than "apple ecosystem".
  - mitjak 6y ago
    oh yeah. i'm just saying, Apple's audience doesn't necessarily care about tech specs.
viridian 6y ago
I used android phones up until like two years ago when I got the SE. You have to understand that a huge chunk of SE owners are in the same boat for the same reason. The Android market let small phones die, and so a 6 year old apple product is now literally the best option in the market. I still don't like Apple's ecosystem, but the phone is small and fits my use cases.
vzidex 6y ago
I'm guessing that for most people it's one of the two following: a. They're used to iOS/integrated into Apple's ecosystem, and this gives them a way to cheaply get a new phone that keeps them on that model. b. This phone will probably shoot better photos than any Android at this price point, and even a decent chunk above it. Apple has been really focusing on their cameras the last few years, and the only examples of photography on an Android device that I've seen beat Apple's newer phones is from Google's Pixel devices. All in all, it sounds like this is a case of other people liking different things than you, and that is a-OK :) (and most likely not astroturfing)
kube-system 6y ago
I too used to buy phones based on their hardware specs. Then I got frustrated that I had to buy a new device every 2 years just to get a software update. My 5 year old iPhone got iOS 13.4 at the same time as everyone else.
- kabacha 6y ago
  I'm sorry but if you're looking to use the same phone for 5 years then you're an absolute minority. Smartphone medium progresses really quick - 5 years is a very very long period of time. Even for laptops - a relative ancient medium that has very little new meaningful inovation - 5 years is still a long time.
  - kube-system 6y ago
    Because most phones are junk after 5 years, not because people like to dump $400-$1000 bucks every 24 months. Most people don't want to replace their phone on a regular basis, unless they are enthusiasts. "It got slow" or "the battery doesn't last anymore" or "I broke my phone" are very common reasons why people upgrade. People want their durable goods to last. Stats have shown that people have been keeping their smartphones longer for the past handful of years as the technology is maturing. This will continue as tech improves, just like it has for every other durable good.

mitjak 6y ago

i'm not disagreeing with you but, replace "this phone" with "any iPhone" or "any Mac" over the course of post-OS X Apple history.

kabacha 6y ago
I disagree with you, I'm personally not a fan of apple but I admit that majority apple products can really compete even in non-apple countries. It's a bit extra but you get some premium features like stronger frame or higher resolution screen. With iPhone SE you get absolutely nothing extra other than "apple ecosystem".
- mitjak 6y ago
  oh yeah. i'm just saying, Apple's audience doesn't necessarily care about tech specs.

viridian 6y ago

I used android phones up until like two years ago when I got the SE. You have to understand that a huge chunk of SE owners are in the same boat for the same reason. The Android market let small phones die, and so a 6 year old apple product is now literally the best option in the market. I still don't like Apple's ecosystem, but the phone is small and fits my use cases.

vzidex 6y ago

I'm guessing that for most people it's one of the two following: a. They're used to iOS/integrated into Apple's ecosystem, and this gives them a way to cheaply get a new phone that keeps them on that model. b. This phone will probably shoot better photos than any Android at this price point, and even a decent chunk above it. Apple has been really focusing on their cameras the last few years, and the only examples of photography on an Android device that I've seen beat Apple's newer phones is from Google's Pixel devices. All in all, it sounds like this is a case of other people liking different things than you, and that is a-OK :) (and most likely not astroturfing)

kube-system 6y ago

I too used to buy phones based on their hardware specs. Then I got frustrated that I had to buy a new device every 2 years just to get a software update. My 5 year old iPhone got iOS 13.4 at the same time as everyone else.

kabacha 6y ago
I'm sorry but if you're looking to use the same phone for 5 years then you're an absolute minority. Smartphone medium progresses really quick - 5 years is a very very long period of time. Even for laptops - a relative ancient medium that has very little new meaningful inovation - 5 years is still a long time.
- kube-system 6y ago
  Because most phones are junk after 5 years, not because people like to dump $400-$1000 bucks every 24 months. Most people don't want to replace their phone on a regular basis, unless they are enthusiasts. "It got slow" or "the battery doesn't last anymore" or "I broke my phone" are very common reasons why people upgrade. People want their durable goods to last. Stats have shown that people have been keeping their smartphones longer for the past handful of years as the technology is maturing. This will continue as tech improves, just like it has for every other durable good.