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Kids don't get infected - is that due to contact tracing? Epidemiologists are just as confused here as anyone else. They have never seen anything like this dis

Kids don't get infected - is that due to contact tracing? Epidemiologists are just as confused here as anyone else. They have never seen anything like this disease, there is no data, there is no evidence to anything claimed here. You can't compare to any epidemics before. The best evidence is the absurd statements by epidemiologists at CDC yesterday: 1. It is extremely important to maintain social distancing to save lives! 2. The next wave in the winter might be much worse due to the current social distancing that will be pushing many of the vulnerable into the winter months where the risks of coinfections are higher. Uhh? What? Do you see the absurdity in these statements? They make no sense, as if they had no idea what to do.

untog 7y ago
> Epidemiologists are just as confused here as anyone else. They have never seen anything like this disease, there is no data, there is no evidence to anything claimed here. Of course they have! There are a lot of coronaviruses. And we already have experience with SARS and MERS. Obviously this isn't exactly the same but suggesting that epidemiologists don't know any more than the rest of us commenting in Hacker News is absolutely absurd. We don't all get to be experts on this just because we've decided that we're clever. Or maybe we should all be burning down 5G masts as well, after all, who knows?
- glofish 7y ago
  what you are doing is a classic fallacy, you take an absurd example and equate my opinion to that. What's 5G got to do with it? Neither SARS or MERS are even remotely similar to COVID-19. The mechanisms are different, the spread is different etc. I have also never stated an epidemiologists knows as much as an average hacker news reader. What I said they are just as confused and unable to decide what is right or wrong and what the right course of action is. That is a completely different statement. I note how you never addressed the obviously contradictory statements by the CDC.
  - untog 7y ago
    > Neither SARS or MERS are even remotely similar to COVID-19. Again, you have absolutely zero authority to make that statement, unless you forgot to mention that you are an infectious disease specialist. Same with “children can’t be infected”, in your reply you’re making statements about what “you would” do but do you have any data showing that children are being tested at the same rate as adults? We could spend forever in a back and forth over things like CDC statements (which aren’t contradictory, but whatever) but it would just be dancing around the central point: you don’t know. You aren’t qualified to speak about it authoritatively. If an epidemiologist tried to weigh in on and online debate about the merits of Rust vs Go I’d say the same thing, but luckily for us they don’t. Having an opinion on things is just fine, but this thread (I’m not singling you out here) is full of authoritative statements with no scientific basis. > you take an absurd example and equate my opinion to that. What's 5G got to do with it? The only reason it’s absurd is because you and I both know enough about 5G to know that the idea of it spreading COVID-19 is silly. How can you be confident that the assumptions you’re making aren’t equally absurd to an epidemiologist?
    - glofish 7y ago
      I am summarizing what science states. I have read numerous scientific papers on both SARS, MERS and COVID-19. It is pretty clear that the diseases are not similar at all. (SARS - MERS yes, SARS - COVID no). Are seriously claiming that scientist consider the diseases similar? They don't. On the CDC statements I don't get what your point is. These are statements by the CDC to the population. In the first they want people to tighten the lockdown. In the second they predict that tighter regulations will lead to more deaths in the winter. There is no interpretation there, this is what they announced to the public. The two statements together make no sense. Notably you say "I could spend forever on back and forth" but you don't offer anything - and perhaps the CDC statements should not be like that. The statements are so because as I said along, the CDC are also confused and unsure what to right course of action is.
catalogia 7y ago
From what I've been lead to believe, kids do get infected, but they virtually never become symptomatic.
- glofish 7y ago
  most likely not, considering the agressive testing of contacts, the first person you would test are the family members, yet only 3% of cases are for people under 18

untog 7y ago

> Epidemiologists are just as confused here as anyone else. They have never seen anything like this disease, there is no data, there is no evidence to anything claimed here. Of course they have! There are a lot of coronaviruses. And we already have experience with SARS and MERS. Obviously this isn't exactly the same but suggesting that epidemiologists don't know any more than the rest of us commenting in Hacker News is absolutely absurd. We don't all get to be experts on this just because we've decided that we're clever. Or maybe we should all be burning down 5G masts as well, after all, who knows?

glofish 7y ago
what you are doing is a classic fallacy, you take an absurd example and equate my opinion to that. What's 5G got to do with it? Neither SARS or MERS are even remotely similar to COVID-19. The mechanisms are different, the spread is different etc. I have also never stated an epidemiologists knows as much as an average hacker news reader. What I said they are just as confused and unable to decide what is right or wrong and what the right course of action is. That is a completely different statement. I note how you never addressed the obviously contradictory statements by the CDC.
- untog 7y ago
  > Neither SARS or MERS are even remotely similar to COVID-19. Again, you have absolutely zero authority to make that statement, unless you forgot to mention that you are an infectious disease specialist. Same with “children can’t be infected”, in your reply you’re making statements about what “you would” do but do you have any data showing that children are being tested at the same rate as adults? We could spend forever in a back and forth over things like CDC statements (which aren’t contradictory, but whatever) but it would just be dancing around the central point: you don’t know. You aren’t qualified to speak about it authoritatively. If an epidemiologist tried to weigh in on and online debate about the merits of Rust vs Go I’d say the same thing, but luckily for us they don’t. Having an opinion on things is just fine, but this thread (I’m not singling you out here) is full of authoritative statements with no scientific basis. > you take an absurd example and equate my opinion to that. What's 5G got to do with it? The only reason it’s absurd is because you and I both know enough about 5G to know that the idea of it spreading COVID-19 is silly. How can you be confident that the assumptions you’re making aren’t equally absurd to an epidemiologist?
  - glofish 7y ago
    I am summarizing what science states. I have read numerous scientific papers on both SARS, MERS and COVID-19. It is pretty clear that the diseases are not similar at all. (SARS - MERS yes, SARS - COVID no). Are seriously claiming that scientist consider the diseases similar? They don't. On the CDC statements I don't get what your point is. These are statements by the CDC to the population. In the first they want people to tighten the lockdown. In the second they predict that tighter regulations will lead to more deaths in the winter. There is no interpretation there, this is what they announced to the public. The two statements together make no sense. Notably you say "I could spend forever on back and forth" but you don't offer anything - and perhaps the CDC statements should not be like that. The statements are so because as I said along, the CDC are also confused and unsure what to right course of action is.

catalogia 7y ago

From what I've been lead to believe, kids do get infected, but they virtually never become symptomatic.

glofish 7y ago
most likely not, considering the agressive testing of contacts, the first person you would test are the family members, yet only 3% of cases are for people under 18