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I guess now we'll see how much of the perceived shit show was actually his making, and how much was his leadership group. This should be interesting.

noad 7y ago
I have no idea what this means, can you get me up to speed on what this show was?
- sah2ed 7y ago
  To get up to speed on Amazon's sub-par attitude to warehouse workers' welfare, prior to Bezos re-assuming day-to-day leadership, start here: 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22759575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22759575 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22770092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22770092
  - jdm2212 7y ago
    Did Bezos care about warehouse worker safety when he ran things day to day? I thought there have been sporadic reports of warehouse worker mistreatment going back years, like that story about the one warehouse that had to have an ambulance parked outside to pick up workers who got heat stroke because it was cheaper than installing A/C. (No idea if that story's true. Just, this stuff has been circulating for a while. The new stories are no more or less credible, so I'm not changing my opinion of what's happening on the ground.)
    - GhettoMaestro 7y ago
      I'm calling horseshit on that story - prove me wrong. Why? Simple math and risk analysis. One death that can be proven to have been preventable (and more important, negligent) is going to cost multiples more than a stupid AC unit.
  - gowld 7y ago
    Please explain how it's "sub par", which is different from "bad".
jdm2212 7y ago
> perceived shit show Honest question: what are you talking about?
- deelowe 7y ago
  Probably referring to the media reports about either the warehouse worker complaints or internal corporate politics.
  - jdm2212 7y ago
    Ah, makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. Those reports struck me more as "normal big company issues" than "shit show" but maybe I'm a bit jaded.
    - deelowe 7y ago
      They seem to be a bit sensationalized, but with the way news media works these days, everything is. So, it's hard to know what's real and what isn't these days.
crazygringo 7y ago
I don't think there's any "perceived shit show" from the perspective of investors or management. If you're referring to the treatment of warehouse workers over the past decade, Amazon pays them market rates, like pretty much every other business pays market rates. So Amazon can sell goods at the lowest price possible. It's not a "shit show", it's a business strategy that has paid off. If you're upset about how workers are treated, bring it up with Congress to set minimum wage and employee treatment laws that will apply to all businesses and warehouse fulfillment centers, not just Amazon.
- londons_explore 7y ago
  > Amazon pays them market rates Actually substantially over market rates this year. Everyone wants to work in amazon when the alternative is walmart...

noad 7y ago

I have no idea what this means, can you get me up to speed on what this show was?

sah2ed 7y ago
To get up to speed on Amazon's sub-par attitude to warehouse workers' welfare, prior to Bezos re-assuming day-to-day leadership, start here: 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22759575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22759575 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22770092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22770092
- jdm2212 7y ago
  Did Bezos care about warehouse worker safety when he ran things day to day? I thought there have been sporadic reports of warehouse worker mistreatment going back years, like that story about the one warehouse that had to have an ambulance parked outside to pick up workers who got heat stroke because it was cheaper than installing A/C. (No idea if that story's true. Just, this stuff has been circulating for a while. The new stories are no more or less credible, so I'm not changing my opinion of what's happening on the ground.)
  - GhettoMaestro 7y ago
    I'm calling horseshit on that story - prove me wrong. Why? Simple math and risk analysis. One death that can be proven to have been preventable (and more important, negligent) is going to cost multiples more than a stupid AC unit.
- gowld 7y ago
  Please explain how it's "sub par", which is different from "bad".

jdm2212 7y ago

> perceived shit show Honest question: what are you talking about?

deelowe 7y ago
Probably referring to the media reports about either the warehouse worker complaints or internal corporate politics.
- jdm2212 7y ago
  Ah, makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. Those reports struck me more as "normal big company issues" than "shit show" but maybe I'm a bit jaded.
  - deelowe 7y ago
    They seem to be a bit sensationalized, but with the way news media works these days, everything is. So, it's hard to know what's real and what isn't these days.

crazygringo 7y ago

I don't think there's any "perceived shit show" from the perspective of investors or management. If you're referring to the treatment of warehouse workers over the past decade, Amazon pays them market rates, like pretty much every other business pays market rates. So Amazon can sell goods at the lowest price possible. It's not a "shit show", it's a business strategy that has paid off. If you're upset about how workers are treated, bring it up with Congress to set minimum wage and employee treatment laws that will apply to all businesses and warehouse fulfillment centers, not just Amazon.

londons_explore 7y ago
> Amazon pays them market rates Actually substantially over market rates this year. Everyone wants to work in amazon when the alternative is walmart...