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Regarding the implementations I was talking about, the private market would exist exclusively for elective procedures "like cosmetic surgeries." [0] For any of

Regarding the implementations I was talking about, the private market would exist exclusively for elective procedures "like cosmetic surgeries." [0] For any of the services covered by Medicare. Quoting the Kaiser Family Foundation, "private insurance would be prohibited from duplicating the coverage under Medicare." [0] The full quote here is "If you support Medicare for All, you have to be willing to end the greed of the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries. That means boldly transforming our dysfunctional system by ending the use of private health insurance, except to cover non-essential care like cosmetic surgeries." [1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-05/harris-keeps-tripping-up-on-her-medicare-for-all-fuzziness https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-05/harris-ke...

pmiller2 7y ago
> For any of the services covered by Medicare. Quoting the Kaiser Family Foundation, "private insurance would be prohibited from duplicating the coverage under Medicare." That's correct. Supplemental insurance can still cover copays and other out of pocket expenses. It can also cover procedures not covered by Medicare. Now, tell me, how is that "banning private insurance" if insurance companies can still sell those policies?
- bmelton 7y ago
  From a Bernie Sanders interview with NPR. Q: "Does private insurance go away under Medicare for All?" A: "Yes, it does, because you're not going to a have a need for private insurance" A tweet[1] from Bernie Sanders: You're damn right we're going to get rid of greedy health insurance companies. CNBC describes Bernie Sanders plan as "Bernie Sanders is pushing a “Medicare for All” bill, which would create a government-run program and end private insurance."[2] The Hill's headline covering Bernie's policy is "You're Damn Right Health Insurance Companies Should Be Eliminated"[3] and references a quote in an interview from MSNBC in which Bernie says universal health care can't be achieved "unless you get rid of the insurance companies." So feel free to quibble over the nuances of what "eliminate," "end," and "abolish" mean as much as you like, but if you're a person who is concerned that your private insurance is going to be eliminated, and you're listening to Bernie Sanders talk about it, it seems like his statements would reinforce that fear. [1] https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1111363118867927040?lang=en https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1111363118867927040... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/these-2020-democrats-want-medicare-for-all-but-with-private-insurance.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/these-2020-democrats-want-me... [3] https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436033-sanders-youre-damn-right-health-insurance-companies-should-be-eliminated https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436033-sanders-youre-d...
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    Why are we still talking about Bernie Sanders?
    - pmiller2 7y ago
      His ideas are still relevant, even if his candidacy is not.
  - pmiller2 7y ago
    Nonetheless, the fact remains, no M4A plan proposed by any candidate in the 2020 race would disallow insurers from offering supplemental coverage. Bernie is just simplifying for purposes of making himself understood to the general public. Nobody would "need" private insurance under his plan: > In other words, while Sanders' plan doesn’t ban supplementary coverage from private insurers, it does offer such generous coverage by the government that there's not much room left for private coverage to fill any gaps. This is the logic upon which both conservative critics — and supposedly nonpartisan mainstream reporters and pundits — hang the logic that Sanders' plan would "ban" private coverage. It's a dramatic "gotcha" question.... [0] You're essentially reinforcing a right wing talking point that completely mischaracterizes what Bernie's M4A plan actually does. --- [0]: https://theweek.com/articles/850638/no-really-wants-ban-all-private-insurance-not-even-bernie-sanders https://theweek.com/articles/850638/no-really-wants-ban-all-...
    - bmelton 7y ago
      Whether he's simplifying or restating seems orthogonal to my point, which is that people who are worried that things are going to change and if they'd like to "just go to a private hospital instead," well - if Bernie is to be believed - in his vision of America, those may not be allowed to exist.
      - pmiller2 7y ago
        Where did anyone, Bernie included, say that private hospitals would not be allowed to exist?

pmiller2 7y ago

> For any of the services covered by Medicare. Quoting the Kaiser Family Foundation, "private insurance would be prohibited from duplicating the coverage under Medicare." That's correct. Supplemental insurance can still cover copays and other out of pocket expenses. It can also cover procedures not covered by Medicare. Now, tell me, how is that "banning private insurance" if insurance companies can still sell those policies?

bmelton 7y ago
From a Bernie Sanders interview with NPR. Q: "Does private insurance go away under Medicare for All?" A: "Yes, it does, because you're not going to a have a need for private insurance" A tweet[1] from Bernie Sanders: You're damn right we're going to get rid of greedy health insurance companies. CNBC describes Bernie Sanders plan as "Bernie Sanders is pushing a “Medicare for All” bill, which would create a government-run program and end private insurance."[2] The Hill's headline covering Bernie's policy is "You're Damn Right Health Insurance Companies Should Be Eliminated"[3] and references a quote in an interview from MSNBC in which Bernie says universal health care can't be achieved "unless you get rid of the insurance companies." So feel free to quibble over the nuances of what "eliminate," "end," and "abolish" mean as much as you like, but if you're a person who is concerned that your private insurance is going to be eliminated, and you're listening to Bernie Sanders talk about it, it seems like his statements would reinforce that fear. [1] https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1111363118867927040?lang=en https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1111363118867927040... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/these-2020-democrats-want-medicare-for-all-but-with-private-insurance.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/these-2020-democrats-want-me... [3] https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436033-sanders-youre-damn-right-health-insurance-companies-should-be-eliminated https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436033-sanders-youre-d...
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  Why are we still talking about Bernie Sanders?
  - pmiller2 7y ago
    His ideas are still relevant, even if his candidacy is not.
- pmiller2 7y ago
  Nonetheless, the fact remains, no M4A plan proposed by any candidate in the 2020 race would disallow insurers from offering supplemental coverage. Bernie is just simplifying for purposes of making himself understood to the general public. Nobody would "need" private insurance under his plan: > In other words, while Sanders' plan doesn’t ban supplementary coverage from private insurers, it does offer such generous coverage by the government that there's not much room left for private coverage to fill any gaps. This is the logic upon which both conservative critics — and supposedly nonpartisan mainstream reporters and pundits — hang the logic that Sanders' plan would "ban" private coverage. It's a dramatic "gotcha" question.... [0] You're essentially reinforcing a right wing talking point that completely mischaracterizes what Bernie's M4A plan actually does. --- [0]: https://theweek.com/articles/850638/no-really-wants-ban-all-private-insurance-not-even-bernie-sanders https://theweek.com/articles/850638/no-really-wants-ban-all-...
  - bmelton 7y ago
    Whether he's simplifying or restating seems orthogonal to my point, which is that people who are worried that things are going to change and if they'd like to "just go to a private hospital instead," well - if Bernie is to be believed - in his vision of America, those may not be allowed to exist.
    - pmiller2 7y ago
      Where did anyone, Bernie included, say that private hospitals would not be allowed to exist?