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Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about Flatpak?

by suby 6y ago

cies 6y ago
Have not tried that. Maybe I should, but im on Debian-style distros for so long (and use 'm on servers and such) that I dont really want to learn the basics again. Also, from my RPM days I remember essential (pgk mgmt) tools changing way too often for my taste. Also I'm a KDE/Qt kinda person, and the RPM ecosystem was mostly GTK based.
- r3ll 6y ago
  You can install flatpaks on many distros, including Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Kubuntu, et cetera. I have some flatpaks on a Kubuntu laptop I maintain for a family member and installation was about as smooth as it is on my own fedora machine. I use cli exclusively though so ymmv if you prefer gui(Edit: Exclusively use CLI for sysadmin).
imglorp 6y ago
On that note, what requirements pushed Ubuntu to select snap over flatpack?
- suby 6y ago
  Well for one they control it. But a good advantage that it has over flatpak is that flatpak cannot run on servers while Snap can, though it doesn't sound like it's enabled for servers in this release?
- cies 6y ago
  Just my guess work, but I think they are afraid that THE ONE AND ONLY compatible Linux package format will be owned by RedHat. And that "auto updating" packages in that format will usually roll through RH's servers/repos. They want to be in on the action when a standard emerges and therefor push very hard for it, ship a crap product and experience backlash.
- rlpb 6y ago
  Snaps evolved from click packages that were developed for the Ubuntu phone. The design dates back to 2013: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-May/037074.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-May/0370... Flatpaks, according to Wikipedia, were first released in 2015. I don't about the current situation, but initially a bunch of features that are considered necessary for snaps were out of scope of the Flatpak project, such as IoT support. So it wasn't so much that Ubuntu selected snaps over Flatpak. Flatpaks came along later, and Ubuntu had already invested considerable resources developing snaps.

Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about Flatpak?

by suby 6y ago

Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about Flatpak?

cies 6y ago

Have not tried that. Maybe I should, but im on Debian-style distros for so long (and use 'm on servers and such) that I dont really want to learn the basics again. Also, from my RPM days I remember essential (pgk mgmt) tools changing way too often for my taste. Also I'm a KDE/Qt kinda person, and the RPM ecosystem was mostly GTK based.

r3ll 6y ago
You can install flatpaks on many distros, including Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Kubuntu, et cetera. I have some flatpaks on a Kubuntu laptop I maintain for a family member and installation was about as smooth as it is on my own fedora machine. I use cli exclusively though so ymmv if you prefer gui(Edit: Exclusively use CLI for sysadmin).

imglorp 6y ago

On that note, what requirements pushed Ubuntu to select snap over flatpack?

suby 6y ago
Well for one they control it. But a good advantage that it has over flatpak is that flatpak cannot run on servers while Snap can, though it doesn't sound like it's enabled for servers in this release?
cies 6y ago
Just my guess work, but I think they are afraid that THE ONE AND ONLY compatible Linux package format will be owned by RedHat. And that "auto updating" packages in that format will usually roll through RH's servers/repos. They want to be in on the action when a standard emerges and therefor push very hard for it, ship a crap product and experience backlash.
rlpb 6y ago
Snaps evolved from click packages that were developed for the Ubuntu phone. The design dates back to 2013: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-May/037074.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-May/0370... Flatpaks, according to Wikipedia, were first released in 2015. I don't about the current situation, but initially a bunch of features that are considered necessary for snaps were out of scope of the Flatpak project, such as IoT support. So it wasn't so much that Ubuntu selected snaps over Flatpak. Flatpaks came along later, and Ubuntu had already invested considerable resources developing snaps.