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> Our system is pretty, damn fair, even though once in awhile it fails and an innocent person goes to prison. From Wikipedia, in Illinois, 12 men had been exec

by zohebv 16y ago

> Our system is pretty, damn fair, even though once in awhile it fails and an innocent person goes to prison. From Wikipedia, in Illinois, 12 men had been executed since 1977. During that same period, 13 men were freed from death row i.e. greater than 50% of the convicts facing the maximum possible penalty were actually found innocent. Also, from http://deadlinethemovie.com/state/IL/index.php http://deadlinethemovie.com/state/IL/index.php Was anyone on Death Row ever found innocent in my state? There have been a total 18 innocent people exonerated on Death Row in Illinois. Perry Cobb was released in 1987... So, now you have an idea about the rigorous standards of evidence employed before handing out the death penalty. This should give you an idea about how many innocent people are convicted every day for lesser crimes. And to see the mechanics of how so many innocent people get convicted, check this http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304023804575566201554448476.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230402380457556... A large percentage of convicts in prison are from drug related crimes. For information from Lancet - "Drug harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis" regarding harmfulness of drugs http://i.imgur.com/CkiiZ.png http://i.imgur.com/CkiiZ.png > The US has to babysit the world. I wish it wasn't the case, but most countries do not have their shit together. I don't want to even bother refuting this, but the US is an economic entity that seeks to maximize its economic advantage, not a baby-sitter. It pretends to baby-sit by force but that isn't how baby-sitting works, most baby-sitters don't have a fire-arms license. > I need more evidence than what we have (which is based on falsified data) to prove that it's man-made. There is enough evidence, even when after eliminating whatever falsified data that had crept in. We are interfering with the Carbon-cycle and it will lead to more CO2 which will have a warming effect. You can sit around waiting for more evidence and when warming happens you can blame it on Sun spots or whatever, Are you also waiting on more evidence for heisenberg's uncertainty principle?

rick888 16y ago
"most baby-sitters don't have a fire-arms license." I didn't mean this literally. The US needs to use force because other countries either don't have the ability or refuse. "I don't want to even bother refuting this, but the US is an economic entity that seeks to maximize its economic advantage, not a baby-sitter" What country isn't trying to maximize its economic advantage? "You can sit around waiting for more evidence and when warming happens you can blame it on Sun spots or whatever, Are you also waiting on more evidence for heisenberg's uncertainty principle?" Can I use this argument for anything I don't agree with. I'm asking for evidence and you are telling me that I shouldn't be sitting around and waiting for it. I'm also not blaming it on sunspots, I'm basing it on real evidence. Since the subject has been so politicized, and supporting it means billions of dollars in funding (or lack there of), I question any scientist that is involved in it. Especially when we have zealous believers saying that anyone that questions it (even when there is evidence to the contrary) is a moron. When you take things like carbon credits and forced government taxes out of it, I might start to stop questioning motives. It's also funny that a guy like Al Gore, who is essentially passing carbon credit laws that will put money directly in his pockets, is lauded as a hero and a genius. "A large percentage of convicts in prison are from drug related crimes." If you smoked meth and then murdered a family, does that count as a "drug-related crime". You seem to be implying that people that are just smoking a joint are filling our prison systems, when those people make up a very small percentage.

by zohebv 16y ago

rick888 16y ago

"most baby-sitters don't have a fire-arms license." I didn't mean this literally. The US needs to use force because other countries either don't have the ability or refuse. "I don't want to even bother refuting this, but the US is an economic entity that seeks to maximize its economic advantage, not a baby-sitter" What country isn't trying to maximize its economic advantage? "You can sit around waiting for more evidence and when warming happens you can blame it on Sun spots or whatever, Are you also waiting on more evidence for heisenberg's uncertainty principle?" Can I use this argument for anything I don't agree with. I'm asking for evidence and you are telling me that I shouldn't be sitting around and waiting for it. I'm also not blaming it on sunspots, I'm basing it on real evidence. Since the subject has been so politicized, and supporting it means billions of dollars in funding (or lack there of), I question any scientist that is involved in it. Especially when we have zealous believers saying that anyone that questions it (even when there is evidence to the contrary) is a moron. When you take things like carbon credits and forced government taxes out of it, I might start to stop questioning motives. It's also funny that a guy like Al Gore, who is essentially passing carbon credit laws that will put money directly in his pockets, is lauded as a hero and a genius. "A large percentage of convicts in prison are from drug related crimes." If you smoked meth and then murdered a family, does that count as a "drug-related crime". You seem to be implying that people that are just smoking a joint are filling our prison systems, when those people make up a very small percentage.