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Where can you see storage level?

schoen 6y ago
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_stoc_wstk_dcu_YCUOK_w.htm https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_stoc_wstk_dcu_YCUOK_w.htm is relevant (but doesn't show the actual capacity limits). https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/storagecapacity/ https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/storagecapacity/ mentions the actual capacity limits from last September. It sounds like Cushing, Oklahoma, had 76,093 thousand barrels of total storage and 59,641 of them were used last week. But that's been increasing sharply and might be much closer to the total right now. 59,641 thousand barrels isn't the highest amount that's ever been stored there, but it's getting close: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W_EPC0_SAX_YCUOK_MBBL&f=W https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W... I don't know how to get more current data, but I just found this through some web searches, so I bet there's much more information available.
kthejoker2 6y ago
In the US, the EIA provides info on stockpiles: https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/supply/weekly/pdf/table1.pdf https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/supply/weekly/pdf/table1.pdf But in terms of total capacity, it's tricky, because you can turn the tankers that currently transport oil into floating stores, convert water tanks, salt mines, and other storage media into petroleum storage, etc. We're probably at about 60% capacity or so here in the US, we haven't even filled up the SPR yet.
- SlowRobotAhead 6y ago
  Help me understand. How does hitting 60% storage capacity result in negative barrel prices? Shouldn’t that be a 99% scenario?
  - loopz 6y ago
    The capacity is mainly for new oil not for the trading of it.
  - ars 6y ago
    The capacity is already "purchased", so even though it's available from a physical point of view, from a monetary one you need to pay a lot. That amount you need to pay to rent storage is the cause of the negative barrel prices.
  - kthejoker2 6y ago
    The price of the oil is based on what someone is willing to pay for it (QED.) Right now, nobody wants to buy the oil to actually use it. So the only buyers are people who are willing to store it now, in order to sell it later when the price is better. Those people are "pricing in" their costs to store the oil in what they're willing to pay for it on the spot market. As storage becomes more expensive to procure (demand for it is rising, all the "cheap hotels" are sold out, etc.), the price for oil goes down further to cover those costs of storage for it. Ultimately, the negative prices are a reflection that nobody wants that oil now, and the more negative, the more a reflection that nobody is going to want that oil for awhile. So the price of oil at the moment is a function of time (how long no one will want the oil) and the available supply (and therefore price) of storage for the period of time when no one wants the oil.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_stoc_wstk_dcu_YCUOK_w.htm https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_stoc_wstk_dcu_YCUOK_w.htm is relevant (but doesn't show the actual capacity limits). https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/storagecapacity/ https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/storagecapacity/ mentions the actual capacity limits from last September. It sounds like Cushing, Oklahoma, had 76,093 thousand barrels of total storage and 59,641 of them were used last week. But that's been increasing sharply and might be much closer to the total right now. 59,641 thousand barrels isn't the highest amount that's ever been stored there, but it's getting close: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W_EPC0_SAX_YCUOK_MBBL&f=W https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W... I don't know how to get more current data, but I just found this through some web searches, so I bet there's much more information available.

kthejoker2 6y ago

In the US, the EIA provides info on stockpiles: https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/supply/weekly/pdf/table1.pdf https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/supply/weekly/pdf/table1.pdf But in terms of total capacity, it's tricky, because you can turn the tankers that currently transport oil into floating stores, convert water tanks, salt mines, and other storage media into petroleum storage, etc. We're probably at about 60% capacity or so here in the US, we haven't even filled up the SPR yet.

SlowRobotAhead 6y ago
Help me understand. How does hitting 60% storage capacity result in negative barrel prices? Shouldn’t that be a 99% scenario?
- loopz 6y ago
  The capacity is mainly for new oil not for the trading of it.
- ars 6y ago
  The capacity is already "purchased", so even though it's available from a physical point of view, from a monetary one you need to pay a lot. That amount you need to pay to rent storage is the cause of the negative barrel prices.
- kthejoker2 6y ago
  The price of the oil is based on what someone is willing to pay for it (QED.) Right now, nobody wants to buy the oil to actually use it. So the only buyers are people who are willing to store it now, in order to sell it later when the price is better. Those people are "pricing in" their costs to store the oil in what they're willing to pay for it on the spot market. As storage becomes more expensive to procure (demand for it is rising, all the "cheap hotels" are sold out, etc.), the price for oil goes down further to cover those costs of storage for it. Ultimately, the negative prices are a reflection that nobody wants that oil now, and the more negative, the more a reflection that nobody is going to want that oil for awhile. So the price of oil at the moment is a function of time (how long no one will want the oil) and the available supply (and therefore price) of storage for the period of time when no one wants the oil.