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It would certainly be courteous to inform users that logging for display on a public website is happening. That said, when I'm in an IRC channel I expect everyo

It would certainly be courteous to inform users that logging for display on a public website is happening. That said, when I'm in an IRC channel I expect everyone is logging actively and I have no control over where those logs will end up. I guess I view it as speaking in public. It'd be cool if irclogger would skip logging channels with +s/+p. Obviously it's up to the service runner which channels are added to the config, but it would let individual channels decide to opt-out (or even opt-out for a certain amount of time by setting/unsetting it.)

ocdtrekkie 7y ago
In the case of Whitelogger, the Freenode username they use is _whitelogger. The name makes it pretty obvious what it's doing and it's sitting at the top of the user list on any channel it's logging. Ideally, it's also handy to put your log link in the channel MOTD to everyone knows where the IRC log is.
developer2 7y ago
> I guess I view it as speaking in public. 100% this. IRC chat has no right to privacy as far as I'm concerned. If anyone can join without an explicit invite that has an expectation of privacy, those rights don't exist.
- Geeflow 7y ago
  I would see it more like a conversation in a public place / at a convention. Sure, anyone can join the conversation and listen in. I would still be unpleasantly surprised if someone posted a recording on a website.
  - jakeogh 7y ago
    Most IRC clients are logging the conversation by default, and everyone knows it. Even if they werent; you're speaking in public.
    - ptx 7y ago
      But there's a difference between recording and publishing. We know that everyone is recording, but publishing the logs isn't as common and can be surprising.
      - jakeogh 7y ago
        It's speaking in public. Common or surprising isn't legally relevent. And since it's the internet; it can't be. It's one reason why sovergn groups of humans are so fantastic.
        account42 7y ago
        Not legally relevant doesn't mean not relevant. And freenode does have a clear policy on public logging, requiring you to disclose that you are logging beforehand or get permission before publishing. [0] [0] https://freenode.net/policies#public-logging https://freenode.net/policies#public-logging
        na85 7y ago
        Lots of things that are legal (or legally irrelevant) are not socially acceptable.

ocdtrekkie 7y ago

In the case of Whitelogger, the Freenode username they use is _whitelogger. The name makes it pretty obvious what it's doing and it's sitting at the top of the user list on any channel it's logging. Ideally, it's also handy to put your log link in the channel MOTD to everyone knows where the IRC log is.

developer2 7y ago

> I guess I view it as speaking in public. 100% this. IRC chat has no right to privacy as far as I'm concerned. If anyone can join without an explicit invite that has an expectation of privacy, those rights don't exist.

Geeflow 7y ago
I would see it more like a conversation in a public place / at a convention. Sure, anyone can join the conversation and listen in. I would still be unpleasantly surprised if someone posted a recording on a website.
- jakeogh 7y ago
  Most IRC clients are logging the conversation by default, and everyone knows it. Even if they werent; you're speaking in public.
  - ptx 7y ago
    But there's a difference between recording and publishing. We know that everyone is recording, but publishing the logs isn't as common and can be surprising.
    - jakeogh 7y ago
      It's speaking in public. Common or surprising isn't legally relevent. And since it's the internet; it can't be. It's one reason why sovergn groups of humans are so fantastic.
      - account42 7y ago
        Not legally relevant doesn't mean not relevant. And freenode does have a clear policy on public logging, requiring you to disclose that you are logging beforehand or get permission before publishing. [0] [0] https://freenode.net/policies#public-logging https://freenode.net/policies#public-logging
      - na85 7y ago
        Lots of things that are legal (or legally irrelevant) are not socially acceptable.