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> Some common activities completely lose their appeal due to the increased risk, such as theaters, concerts, travel, public transportation, and open offices. I

> Some common activities completely lose their appeal due to the increased risk, such as theaters, concerts, travel, public transportation, and open offices. I really doubt that. Even with very dangerous disease, like Polio and Measles, most people lived their lives as normal.

dougmwne 7y ago
Let's take a more recent disease as an example to investigate whether people are likely to make behavior changes due to the possibility of contracting an illness since those diseases you mention have had a vaccine for about 80 years and people do generally get their vaccinations. The AIDS epidemic peaked in 1995 in the USA at 40k deaths per year. People absolutely made permanent changes to their sex practices as a result of the disease such as safe sex, regular STD testing, and taking preventive medications (PREP). Because of transmission characteristics, the disease spread fastest among gay men and the epidemic created huge cultural changes in gay America. Until PREP was available, the idea of having unsafe sex was extremely looked down upon and seen as an unnecessary risk, even though many men find condoms less pleasurable. So I'd say that's pretty direct evidence that people are willing to curtail or modify their recreation when it becomes risky.
- tathougies 7y ago
  > The AIDS epidemic peaked in 1995 in the USA at 40k deaths per year. People absolutely made permanent changes to their sex practices as a result of the disease such as safe sex, regular STD testing, and taking preventive medications (PREP). This is not a good example. Most people in the United States were never in a position to get AIDS because they are not MSMs and not promiscuous. Most sex takes place between spouses. Gay men still have much higher prevalences of promiscuity and unsafe sex practices than the population at large. Promiscuity and 'unsafe sex' was never an issue in the general population.
  - dougmwne 7y ago
    Yikes. I hope you will examine your biases and better educate yourself. Here's a starting point: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/82330#3 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/82330#3
    - viridian 7y ago
      Your link doesn't say what you imply it does, only that promiscuity is not the ONLY cause. Which is true, anal sex (vs. vaginal) and role switching are also huge factors, as evidenced by the study they reference.
      - dougmwne 7y ago
        "However, according to two large population surveys, the majority of gay men had similar numbers of unprotected sexual partners annually as straight men and women."
        tathougies 7y ago
        In 2007. Gay male promiscuity has been on a steady decline since the 80s, the time of the last epidemic. Honestly, using 2007 data for the 1980s is like saying that people didn't get sick of cholera from drinking out of toilet water wells because no one does that today.
    - tathougies 7y ago
      The vast majority of people are not having anal sex, which is a more common practice among gay men. Anal sex is an incredibly effective way to spread AIDs. I don't understand why this is controversial. Promiscuous anal sex between men is a risk factor to spread AIDs. Promiscuous straight couples typically don't have anal sex. Moreover, as your study points out, 'switching' who is in what role in anal sex is another effective way of spreading AIDs. Women cannot be the penetrative partners in anal sex, so even if a woman contracts AIDS via anal sex, she cannot spread it as a penetrating partner. But to directly contradict your false narrative. I'd point out that your study was done in 2007. That's 13 years ago. Gay male sexual behavior in 2007 greatly differed from that during the AIDs epidemic. By choosing to use an article from 2007 to explain away gay sexual behavior during the AIDs epidemic of the 1980s, it is clear that you are trying to spin a narrative instead of actually look at events. In the book "and the band played on" by Shilts, the number of partners recorded during the 80s among the minority of gay men who had AIDS was regularly in the hundreds. This is clearly more than most people -- gay or straight. Like I said, AIDS is a disease that affected a relatively small amount of people who continued to live life as normal because they could not control themselves. This furthers my point that people are not necessarily willing to sacrifice life's pleasures due to a deadly disease

dougmwne 7y ago

Let's take a more recent disease as an example to investigate whether people are likely to make behavior changes due to the possibility of contracting an illness since those diseases you mention have had a vaccine for about 80 years and people do generally get their vaccinations. The AIDS epidemic peaked in 1995 in the USA at 40k deaths per year. People absolutely made permanent changes to their sex practices as a result of the disease such as safe sex, regular STD testing, and taking preventive medications (PREP). Because of transmission characteristics, the disease spread fastest among gay men and the epidemic created huge cultural changes in gay America. Until PREP was available, the idea of having unsafe sex was extremely looked down upon and seen as an unnecessary risk, even though many men find condoms less pleasurable. So I'd say that's pretty direct evidence that people are willing to curtail or modify their recreation when it becomes risky.

tathougies 7y ago
> The AIDS epidemic peaked in 1995 in the USA at 40k deaths per year. People absolutely made permanent changes to their sex practices as a result of the disease such as safe sex, regular STD testing, and taking preventive medications (PREP). This is not a good example. Most people in the United States were never in a position to get AIDS because they are not MSMs and not promiscuous. Most sex takes place between spouses. Gay men still have much higher prevalences of promiscuity and unsafe sex practices than the population at large. Promiscuity and 'unsafe sex' was never an issue in the general population.
- dougmwne 7y ago
  Yikes. I hope you will examine your biases and better educate yourself. Here's a starting point: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/82330#3 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/82330#3
  - viridian 7y ago
    Your link doesn't say what you imply it does, only that promiscuity is not the ONLY cause. Which is true, anal sex (vs. vaginal) and role switching are also huge factors, as evidenced by the study they reference.
    - dougmwne 7y ago
      "However, according to two large population surveys, the majority of gay men had similar numbers of unprotected sexual partners annually as straight men and women."
      - tathougies 7y ago
        In 2007. Gay male promiscuity has been on a steady decline since the 80s, the time of the last epidemic. Honestly, using 2007 data for the 1980s is like saying that people didn't get sick of cholera from drinking out of toilet water wells because no one does that today.
  - tathougies 7y ago
    The vast majority of people are not having anal sex, which is a more common practice among gay men. Anal sex is an incredibly effective way to spread AIDs. I don't understand why this is controversial. Promiscuous anal sex between men is a risk factor to spread AIDs. Promiscuous straight couples typically don't have anal sex. Moreover, as your study points out, 'switching' who is in what role in anal sex is another effective way of spreading AIDs. Women cannot be the penetrative partners in anal sex, so even if a woman contracts AIDS via anal sex, she cannot spread it as a penetrating partner. But to directly contradict your false narrative. I'd point out that your study was done in 2007. That's 13 years ago. Gay male sexual behavior in 2007 greatly differed from that during the AIDs epidemic. By choosing to use an article from 2007 to explain away gay sexual behavior during the AIDs epidemic of the 1980s, it is clear that you are trying to spin a narrative instead of actually look at events. In the book "and the band played on" by Shilts, the number of partners recorded during the 80s among the minority of gay men who had AIDS was regularly in the hundreds. This is clearly more than most people -- gay or straight. Like I said, AIDS is a disease that affected a relatively small amount of people who continued to live life as normal because they could not control themselves. This furthers my point that people are not necessarily willing to sacrifice life's pleasures due to a deadly disease