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> Trump team didn't put in enough money You know, the president doesn't write legislation or appropriate money. That's on Congress.

lmeyerov 7y ago
Yes, because we know exactly where the buck doesn't stop. They're getting ready for round 2, and if the rule setters do the same thing, we'll get the same result. People want to blame the banks -- and banks share the blame -- but they are not the root cause. The legislated rules are like physics, you don't get mad at the water flowing wrong but at the people who planned the river. The planning committee is doing all sorts of weird stuff, but the people with the most control is republicans, and via veto etc, the president. Those are the people deciding to whom the river flows and with how much water. They knew there would be more applicants than money, and the bigger applicants would have accountants and bank managers ready to leap, yet they still didn't put any priority order in for small businesses. Instead, they spent that time putting in carveouts for big hotel owners. If you think they didn't make it fair, it's their blame. I don't even know why we're doing this via banks to beginwith, that just adds a massive & confusing middle layer of uninvolved for-profit companies. Feels like not knowing how to use the system, or corruption... which is again, a problem upstream.
- beervirus 7y ago
  Saying that Trump is to blame for the implementation details because he has the veto power is a little silly. Congress, on both sides of the aisle, has responsibility for any flaws in the legislation.
  - lmeyerov 7y ago
    He's the president, if he cared, he'd prioritize SMBs. He's the check and balance. Instead, congress, judicial, and executive are now all effectively Republican controlled, with Trump de-facto leading the party because McConnell decided to go with it. Trump can pass the buck during one of the biggest losses of life in US history & the biggest recessions, but as the ultimate elected check, no way should we give a free pass. He should do his job, leave, or get the blame. Anyways, this has gotten beyond HN. As an SMB owner, it's pretty clear what is and isn't happening.
    - beervirus 7y ago
      Yeah it’s pretty clear that the president is responsible for legislative drafting. :-/
      - lmeyerov 7y ago
        He's the shepherd, or not, if he declines to do his job. We elect the president to preside. The pandemic has become the most important thing on his desk. The power relationship is more complicated, but that's what it boils down to. For example, congress could take it in a direction he doesn't want to happen, but they'd need 2/3rds for that. By default, it's his show.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > Saying that Trump is to blame for the implementation details because he has the veto power is a little silly. Only in that it's silly to ignore that he's to blame for the implementation details since implementation details are pretty much what the Executive branch does.
dragonwriter 7y ago
> You know, the president doesn't write legislation The President is the most powerful single actor in setting the content of legislation. > That's on Congress In the parliamentary system, that would be obviously true; the US has a strong presidential system, making that far less true.

lmeyerov 7y ago

Yes, because we know exactly where the buck doesn't stop. They're getting ready for round 2, and if the rule setters do the same thing, we'll get the same result. People want to blame the banks -- and banks share the blame -- but they are not the root cause. The legislated rules are like physics, you don't get mad at the water flowing wrong but at the people who planned the river. The planning committee is doing all sorts of weird stuff, but the people with the most control is republicans, and via veto etc, the president. Those are the people deciding to whom the river flows and with how much water. They knew there would be more applicants than money, and the bigger applicants would have accountants and bank managers ready to leap, yet they still didn't put any priority order in for small businesses. Instead, they spent that time putting in carveouts for big hotel owners. If you think they didn't make it fair, it's their blame. I don't even know why we're doing this via banks to beginwith, that just adds a massive & confusing middle layer of uninvolved for-profit companies. Feels like not knowing how to use the system, or corruption... which is again, a problem upstream.

beervirus 7y ago
Saying that Trump is to blame for the implementation details because he has the veto power is a little silly. Congress, on both sides of the aisle, has responsibility for any flaws in the legislation.
- lmeyerov 7y ago
  He's the president, if he cared, he'd prioritize SMBs. He's the check and balance. Instead, congress, judicial, and executive are now all effectively Republican controlled, with Trump de-facto leading the party because McConnell decided to go with it. Trump can pass the buck during one of the biggest losses of life in US history & the biggest recessions, but as the ultimate elected check, no way should we give a free pass. He should do his job, leave, or get the blame. Anyways, this has gotten beyond HN. As an SMB owner, it's pretty clear what is and isn't happening.
  - beervirus 7y ago
    Yeah it’s pretty clear that the president is responsible for legislative drafting. :-/
    - lmeyerov 7y ago
      He's the shepherd, or not, if he declines to do his job. We elect the president to preside. The pandemic has become the most important thing on his desk. The power relationship is more complicated, but that's what it boils down to. For example, congress could take it in a direction he doesn't want to happen, but they'd need 2/3rds for that. By default, it's his show.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Saying that Trump is to blame for the implementation details because he has the veto power is a little silly. Only in that it's silly to ignore that he's to blame for the implementation details since implementation details are pretty much what the Executive branch does.

dragonwriter 7y ago

> You know, the president doesn't write legislation The President is the most powerful single actor in setting the content of legislation. > That's on Congress In the parliamentary system, that would be obviously true; the US has a strong presidential system, making that far less true.