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Nope, you are fully missing out on the advances of music production. The sounds producers can create nowdays were not available in 18th century, not even in the

Nope, you are fully missing out on the advances of music production. The sounds producers can create nowdays were not available in 18th century, not even in the 80s. If you consider as music only what you can write down as sheet music you are missing out on so much. Thats why finding new artists, who can make unique sounds, not just melodies, is so rewarding.

throw0101a 6y ago
> Nope, you are fully missing out on the advances of music production. Meh. I have music from Beethoven, Shostakovich , Dvořák, Orff, and many others in my collection (including the previously mentioned Gorecki and Part--also, Zeppelin). I prefer Early Music.
paganel 6y ago
> not even in the 80s Not the OP but personally some of most innovative music can be found in the mainstream Italian scene of the late '60s - early '70s (including music film), you've got former "musique concrète" composers (or people interested in that type of music) like Piero Umiliani, Piero Piccioni, Armando Trovajoli or Ennio Morricone himself now composing music for the masses, I don't think anything similar has happened since then (I'd dare say that nowadays the "music for the masses" has nothing to do with avant-garde music). Add an extraordinary voice like Mina's to one of Morricone's compositions and you can get one of the best songs of all time, "Se telefonando" [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXX4PdW7dLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXX4PdW7dLM
- blakes 6y ago
  The Italians were also doing some amazing things in the 60's and 70's with electronic synthesizers and keyboards that made/make sounds that still can't be recreated.
  - WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
    Sensation's Fix comes to mind.
  - Threeve303 6y ago
    This sounds like an interesting quarantine challenge. Do you have any examples of sounds that haven't been recreated? Giorgio Moroder or Kraftwerk come to mind...
- partomniscient 6y ago
  Or you could just listen to Depeche Mode [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHxp6VwwGY&list=PLiN-7mukU_REelwoe93OQbLzyZD4TZXJK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHxp6VwwGY&list=PLiN-7mukU_...
xamuel 6y ago
I used to think this way too. "How could the Beatles possibly still be relevant? There's been 50 years of progress since then! You wouldn't buy a PC from the 60s, why listen to music from the 60s?" And then I actually gave the classics a try. Not all types of technology obsolete themselves like computer technology. The Beatles have yet to be beaten in pop music, and Bach has yet to be beaten in music in general. But just in case I've got a blindspot, please post a few links to some of these tracks that use cutting-edge music production to produce such novel sounds (I assume you're talking about something besides autotune). I'd like to give them a listen.
- ubercow13 6y ago
  I don't think that's what they are saying. Even if he is still the best, there is interest to be found in music past Bach. Otherwise, why did anyone bother continuing to make music?
- renaudg 6y ago
  You do have a blind spot. It's not just about progress, "better pop" or "better music". The 20th century has seen 3 true revolutions in music technology that have changed the nature of music itself (photography went through similar paradigm shifts) 1. Recorded music (straight to wax then vynil records) was the first one (before that there were only live performances) : it made music ubiquitous, created a new industry and business model. 2. Multitrack recording to tape was the second, as you could now edit, tweak, refine after recording. Skilled instrumentists still mattered, but less so. A crucial new artistic role was invented : music producer. 3. Digital music production is the 3rd and largest one : for the first time in history, music is not limited by a human's ability to play an instrument, or even by the law of physics governing the sounds a physical instrument is able to make. Anything an algorithm or AI can output as series of 16/24bit values going through a digital/analog converter around 44100 times per second and ending up in speakers : that can now be music, or at least an instrument. Electronic musicians can still record and assemble familiar sounds from physical (acoustic or electronic) instruments if they choose to, but they can now also be their own luthiers and introduce one or 100 of their own never-heard-before instruments in a single song. They can still play music live, they can do so through new human-machine interfaces driving software, they can assemble sounds in a UI, or through code, and they can code the sounds themselves, or do a combination of all that. There is now absolute freedom to produce anything the ear can hear, only limited by one's imagination and ability to procure (or code) software instruments and effects. Of course, this has had a massive impact on the art of music itself, much like CGI has enabled telling stories in movies that could never be told before. Virtually all "interesting" new music being released (i.e. not country music, not rock :) ) takes advantage of this new normal.

throw0101a 6y ago

> Nope, you are fully missing out on the advances of music production. Meh. I have music from Beethoven, Shostakovich , Dvořák, Orff, and many others in my collection (including the previously mentioned Gorecki and Part--also, Zeppelin). I prefer Early Music.

paganel 6y ago

> not even in the 80s Not the OP but personally some of most innovative music can be found in the mainstream Italian scene of the late '60s - early '70s (including music film), you've got former "musique concrète" composers (or people interested in that type of music) like Piero Umiliani, Piero Piccioni, Armando Trovajoli or Ennio Morricone himself now composing music for the masses, I don't think anything similar has happened since then (I'd dare say that nowadays the "music for the masses" has nothing to do with avant-garde music). Add an extraordinary voice like Mina's to one of Morricone's compositions and you can get one of the best songs of all time, "Se telefonando" [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXX4PdW7dLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXX4PdW7dLM

blakes 6y ago
The Italians were also doing some amazing things in the 60's and 70's with electronic synthesizers and keyboards that made/make sounds that still can't be recreated.
- WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
  Sensation's Fix comes to mind.
- Threeve303 6y ago
  This sounds like an interesting quarantine challenge. Do you have any examples of sounds that haven't been recreated? Giorgio Moroder or Kraftwerk come to mind...
partomniscient 6y ago
Or you could just listen to Depeche Mode [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHxp6VwwGY&list=PLiN-7mukU_REelwoe93OQbLzyZD4TZXJK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHxp6VwwGY&list=PLiN-7mukU_...

xamuel 6y ago

I used to think this way too. "How could the Beatles possibly still be relevant? There's been 50 years of progress since then! You wouldn't buy a PC from the 60s, why listen to music from the 60s?" And then I actually gave the classics a try. Not all types of technology obsolete themselves like computer technology. The Beatles have yet to be beaten in pop music, and Bach has yet to be beaten in music in general. But just in case I've got a blindspot, please post a few links to some of these tracks that use cutting-edge music production to produce such novel sounds (I assume you're talking about something besides autotune). I'd like to give them a listen.

ubercow13 6y ago
I don't think that's what they are saying. Even if he is still the best, there is interest to be found in music past Bach. Otherwise, why did anyone bother continuing to make music?
renaudg 6y ago
You do have a blind spot. It's not just about progress, "better pop" or "better music". The 20th century has seen 3 true revolutions in music technology that have changed the nature of music itself (photography went through similar paradigm shifts) 1. Recorded music (straight to wax then vynil records) was the first one (before that there were only live performances) : it made music ubiquitous, created a new industry and business model. 2. Multitrack recording to tape was the second, as you could now edit, tweak, refine after recording. Skilled instrumentists still mattered, but less so. A crucial new artistic role was invented : music producer. 3. Digital music production is the 3rd and largest one : for the first time in history, music is not limited by a human's ability to play an instrument, or even by the law of physics governing the sounds a physical instrument is able to make. Anything an algorithm or AI can output as series of 16/24bit values going through a digital/analog converter around 44100 times per second and ending up in speakers : that can now be music, or at least an instrument. Electronic musicians can still record and assemble familiar sounds from physical (acoustic or electronic) instruments if they choose to, but they can now also be their own luthiers and introduce one or 100 of their own never-heard-before instruments in a single song. They can still play music live, they can do so through new human-machine interfaces driving software, they can assemble sounds in a UI, or through code, and they can code the sounds themselves, or do a combination of all that. There is now absolute freedom to produce anything the ear can hear, only limited by one's imagination and ability to procure (or code) software instruments and effects. Of course, this has had a massive impact on the art of music itself, much like CGI has enabled telling stories in movies that could never be told before. Virtually all "interesting" new music being released (i.e. not country music, not rock :) ) takes advantage of this new normal.