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You should take back the part where you accuse an entire nation of not caring about people dying. It's unbecoming. The Dutch just don't want mutualisation of

by tdons 6y ago

You should take back the part where you accuse an entire nation of not caring about people dying. It's unbecoming. The Dutch just don't want mutualisation of debt. That's not strange at all.

kuu 6y ago
I'm sorry if you feel offended, but as the saying goes: "Put your money where your mouth is". A union without solidarity is not a union...
wsc981 6y ago
In the end, the Dutch will have to deal with the mutualisation of dept if they choose to stay in the Eurozone. I believe it's pretty much unavoidable as both Germany and France seem to already have agreed on the matter: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/29/how-to-start-paying-off-southern-europes-debts https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/29/how-to-star...
grey-area 6y ago
The Dutch government should take back the part where they accuse entire nations of profligacy and indolence. This happened during the Greek crisis also and it is a tragedy which punishes the poor and the weak. Without mutual support there is no EU. Compassion for others is in your own self interest long term, but I fear this is easily forgotten in a crisis.
- evandijk70 6y ago
  'The Dutch' didn't say that. Some Dutch people did.
  - grey-area 6y ago
    Sure, that should really say the Dutch government - edited to say so, but the point stands - you should not generalise about entire nations being profligate, and you should not scapegoat certain groups of people as deserving of suffering. The EU should be about solidarity, which includes economic solidarity. At its best it has pulled nations like Spain and Portugal from the brink of financial ruin after war/dictatorship to thriving democracies. At its worst it has consigned entire nations to collective punishment (Greece) just to play to domestic audiences in certain countries. It's usually wrong to stigmatise groups as deserving of suffering and it is not in anybody's interest to do so.

by tdons 6y ago

You should take back the part where you accuse an entire nation of not caring about people dying. It's unbecoming. The Dutch just don't want mutualisation of debt. That's not strange at all.

kuu 6y ago

I'm sorry if you feel offended, but as the saying goes: "Put your money where your mouth is". A union without solidarity is not a union...

wsc981 6y ago

In the end, the Dutch will have to deal with the mutualisation of dept if they choose to stay in the Eurozone. I believe it's pretty much unavoidable as both Germany and France seem to already have agreed on the matter: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/29/how-to-start-paying-off-southern-europes-debts https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/29/how-to-star...

grey-area 6y ago

The Dutch government should take back the part where they accuse entire nations of profligacy and indolence. This happened during the Greek crisis also and it is a tragedy which punishes the poor and the weak. Without mutual support there is no EU. Compassion for others is in your own self interest long term, but I fear this is easily forgotten in a crisis.

evandijk70 6y ago
'The Dutch' didn't say that. Some Dutch people did.
- grey-area 6y ago
  Sure, that should really say the Dutch government - edited to say so, but the point stands - you should not generalise about entire nations being profligate, and you should not scapegoat certain groups of people as deserving of suffering. The EU should be about solidarity, which includes economic solidarity. At its best it has pulled nations like Spain and Portugal from the brink of financial ruin after war/dictatorship to thriving democracies. At its worst it has consigned entire nations to collective punishment (Greece) just to play to domestic audiences in certain countries. It's usually wrong to stigmatise groups as deserving of suffering and it is not in anybody's interest to do so.