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Yeah please share the examples! What you write sounds plausible, but it also mirrors a lot of what we hear from the right that is at times overstated. I'd lov

Yeah please share the examples! What you write sounds plausible, but it also mirrors a lot of what we hear from the right that is at times overstated. I'd love to hear a set of sober examples- I don't have any connection to early education anymore and I'm really curious.

TimTheTinker 7y ago
Sorry these are coming a whole day later. Here we go: New York City has (or had?) an active effort in place to cancel/dismantle "gifted" programs in primary and secondary education. Here's the PDF released by their committed last August: https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/1c478c_f14e1d13df45444c883bbf6590129bd7.pdf https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/1c478c_f14e1d13df45444c883bbf... . There are lots of other examples of this phenomenon around the country... I doubt I need to come up with more examples now. Notably, the University of Chicago came firmly down on the side of free inquiry: http://provost.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/documents/reports/FOECommitteeReport.pdf http://provost.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/documents/re... An excellent, charitable, clear-minded discussion on critical theory in general: https://youtu.be/p6DnHxuuXI4 https://youtu.be/p6DnHxuuXI4 Here's a good introduction to many of the practical, everyday consequences of CRT/I's influence in American culture. It's an interview with Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay (this is part 1, and I think there are 3 or 4 parts in total): https://youtu.be/YDFL3xwEEG8 https://youtu.be/YDFL3xwEEG8 -- that last one in particular, if you watch the whole thing, is chock full of great examples. Hope that's helpful. That's all I was able to find in the time I had.
fastball 7y ago
As someone that has been spending a lot of time around Higher Education over the past 7 years or so, I personally cannot think of a single University I have interacted that isn't making many of their decisions under the influence of the ideas described above. This is in the US/UK.
- red_admiral 7y ago
  In the UK at least, the way I read the situation is that most of the Russell Group pays their bills off the fees they can charge international students - and compared to the income this gets us from China, other countries are a rounding error. The problem is, these students are not coming here to learn how we're all equal, they're paying for a degree that proves they're very much not equal to about a billion people back home (compare the median wage in China with the cost of a one-year MSc in the UK for example). That's also why most of our Covid-19 planning is around how do we deal with the income loss if 50% fewer international students enrol next year, the options seem to be government bailout or bust. So there may be an unspoken rule in some places that you don't criticise the latest theories on diversity, but there's an even more unspoken rule that you don't publicly apply them to the situation in Tibet or Urumqi. It will be extremely interesting to see how these two pressures interact over the coming decade.
  - david12345 7y ago
    It reminds me of a great bit from Yes Prime Minister: "Coffee at the University" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW7mhtp5a5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW7mhtp5a5E
    - selimthegrim 7y ago
      The part later in that episode where the PM shows up to the high table is pretty classic too.
- collyw 7y ago
  Johnathan Haidt has some good talks on youtube about this sort of stuff. I think he mentioned Chicago University being one that is pushing for "truth" over "social justice".

TimTheTinker 7y ago

Sorry these are coming a whole day later. Here we go: New York City has (or had?) an active effort in place to cancel/dismantle "gifted" programs in primary and secondary education. Here's the PDF released by their committed last August: https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/1c478c_f14e1d13df45444c883bbf6590129bd7.pdf https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/1c478c_f14e1d13df45444c883bbf... . There are lots of other examples of this phenomenon around the country... I doubt I need to come up with more examples now. Notably, the University of Chicago came firmly down on the side of free inquiry: http://provost.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/documents/reports/FOECommitteeReport.pdf http://provost.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/documents/re... An excellent, charitable, clear-minded discussion on critical theory in general: https://youtu.be/p6DnHxuuXI4 https://youtu.be/p6DnHxuuXI4 Here's a good introduction to many of the practical, everyday consequences of CRT/I's influence in American culture. It's an interview with Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay (this is part 1, and I think there are 3 or 4 parts in total): https://youtu.be/YDFL3xwEEG8 https://youtu.be/YDFL3xwEEG8 -- that last one in particular, if you watch the whole thing, is chock full of great examples. Hope that's helpful. That's all I was able to find in the time I had.

fastball 7y ago

As someone that has been spending a lot of time around Higher Education over the past 7 years or so, I personally cannot think of a single University I have interacted that isn't making many of their decisions under the influence of the ideas described above. This is in the US/UK.

red_admiral 7y ago
In the UK at least, the way I read the situation is that most of the Russell Group pays their bills off the fees they can charge international students - and compared to the income this gets us from China, other countries are a rounding error. The problem is, these students are not coming here to learn how we're all equal, they're paying for a degree that proves they're very much not equal to about a billion people back home (compare the median wage in China with the cost of a one-year MSc in the UK for example). That's also why most of our Covid-19 planning is around how do we deal with the income loss if 50% fewer international students enrol next year, the options seem to be government bailout or bust. So there may be an unspoken rule in some places that you don't criticise the latest theories on diversity, but there's an even more unspoken rule that you don't publicly apply them to the situation in Tibet or Urumqi. It will be extremely interesting to see how these two pressures interact over the coming decade.
- david12345 7y ago
  It reminds me of a great bit from Yes Prime Minister: "Coffee at the University" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW7mhtp5a5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW7mhtp5a5E
  - selimthegrim 7y ago
    The part later in that episode where the PM shows up to the high table is pretty classic too.
collyw 7y ago
Johnathan Haidt has some good talks on youtube about this sort of stuff. I think he mentioned Chicago University being one that is pushing for "truth" over "social justice".