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There's BSNL. Their 4G services are currently better than Jio and Airtel in my city. And they provide better connectivity in rural and remote areas.

a-ve 6y ago
BSNL is about to go bankrupt as well. They were offered the 4G spectrum at 2016 prices but even then they couldn't pay their employees' salaries anymore so the Govt. had to step in to pay for their voluntary retirement scheme, which 78,000/50% of their employees opted for.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  Won't happen, even if Ambani's and others are lobbying for it. BSNL is required for secure government and military communication.
  - statguy 6y ago
    and Ambani owns the govt...
    - Fiveplus 6y ago
      Ambani owns jack shit. These kind of low denominator strawmans do not lead to a healthy discussion. Please keep it to yourself or go to a community that welcomes it.
      - statguy 6y ago
        I will give you a datapoint, among many. The Indian govt. recently awarded a critical contract for modernizing the Indian Air Force to a company owned by Anil Ambani who is the brother of Mukesh Ambani, owner of Jio. The Anil Ambani (who has since declared bankruptcy) company had zero experience in defence or aeronautics, yet it was chosen over India's state owned HAL which has decades of aeronautical expertise.
        ra7 6y ago
        All the petitions regarding wrongdoings in the deal were dismissed by the Supreme Court. The reason cited was that it was not the government who was responsible to choose an Indian partner for the “offset clause” of the deal, it was Dassault who entered into a JV with Anil Ambani’s company.
        _nedR 6y ago
        >The reason cited was that it was not the government who was responsible to choose an Indian partner for the “offset clause” of the deal, it was Dassault who entered into a JV with Anil Ambani’s company. Because the Indian govt. forced Dassault to deal with Ambani. We know this because the French President literally said so. “We did not have a say in this,” Mediapart quoted Mr Hollande saying. “It was the Indian government that proposed this service group, and Dassault negotiated with Ambani. We did not have a choice. We took the interlocutor that was given to us.” https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-proposed-reliance-for-rafale-deal-claims-former-french-president-hollande/videoshow/65903359.cms https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-p... https://www.ft.com/content/4e95c46c-bdb6-11e8-94b2-17176fbf93f5 https://www.ft.com/content/4e95c46c-bdb6-11e8-94b2-17176fbf9...
        nsenifty 6y ago
        This is incorrect. You are mixing two separate (but related) things. Under the terms of the original Rafale deal[1], HAL was supposed to manufacture/assemble Rafale aircraft in India. This deal never materialized. A new deal was made under whose terms, Dassault and others were to supply 36 Rafale aircraft in fly-away condition in return to which, they were to invest 50% of the cost of the deal (or about €3.9 billion) back in India, under an offset clause. Of this €3.9 billion, €100 million was awarded [2] to Dassault Reliance Aviation limited as an offset contract to manufacture components for a passenger aircraft (Dassault Falcon 2000). This was a decision by Dassault, not the Government of India. There were about 30 offset partners among which Reliance was one. This contract was worth about 3% of the entire investment under the offset clause. So Reliance was not "chosen over" HAL. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_MRCA_competition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_MRCA_competition [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafale_deal_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafale_deal_controversy
    - webmobdev 6y ago
      True. Our current PM Modi will dance to Ambani's tune. But killing BSNL isn't so easy ... They have lakhs of employees and with the poor state of indian economy I doubt if the government would be able to afford to pay the majority a proper severance package. Not to mention the unions and strikes they will have to deal with.
      - TriNetra 6y ago
        Please don't spread propaganda of certain elite section in India about current gov just because they have lost control of India due to their own foolish policies and insatiable greed
      - newyankee 6y ago
        BSNL mismanagement is the output of decades of lethargy by successive Govts which prevented PSUs from becoming nimble. At least this Govt is trying even when it has limited fiscal options. This kind of extreme one sided scapegoating of PM to earn the approval of Western folks is highly condemnable.
        webmobdev 6y ago
        > ... to earn the approval of Western folks is highly condemnable. ... and you too should read what you copy-pasted. ;)
sachoo 6y ago
There aren't any subscribers, so network load. Lol once you have users start popping we will see how BSNL will hold on.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  BSNL has excellent infrastructure but is stuck with the old Babu staff that grew up with switch-based telephony tech and due to poor training don't fully understand the newer IP-based tech to which BSNL has migrated. That's why when it all works, it works superb - but if you have any issues, then support takes its own time in BSNL because only the newer, younger generation staff actually know how to fix stuff in the new systems.
sbmthakur 6y ago
I have used broadband from MTNL (another state telecom operator) back in the day. I still rue those days.

a-ve 6y ago

BSNL is about to go bankrupt as well. They were offered the 4G spectrum at 2016 prices but even then they couldn't pay their employees' salaries anymore so the Govt. had to step in to pay for their voluntary retirement scheme, which 78,000/50% of their employees opted for.

webmobdev 6y ago
Won't happen, even if Ambani's and others are lobbying for it. BSNL is required for secure government and military communication.
- statguy 6y ago
  and Ambani owns the govt...
  - Fiveplus 6y ago
    Ambani owns jack shit. These kind of low denominator strawmans do not lead to a healthy discussion. Please keep it to yourself or go to a community that welcomes it.
    - statguy 6y ago
      I will give you a datapoint, among many. The Indian govt. recently awarded a critical contract for modernizing the Indian Air Force to a company owned by Anil Ambani who is the brother of Mukesh Ambani, owner of Jio. The Anil Ambani (who has since declared bankruptcy) company had zero experience in defence or aeronautics, yet it was chosen over India's state owned HAL which has decades of aeronautical expertise.
      - ra7 6y ago
        All the petitions regarding wrongdoings in the deal were dismissed by the Supreme Court. The reason cited was that it was not the government who was responsible to choose an Indian partner for the “offset clause” of the deal, it was Dassault who entered into a JV with Anil Ambani’s company.
        _nedR 6y ago
        >The reason cited was that it was not the government who was responsible to choose an Indian partner for the “offset clause” of the deal, it was Dassault who entered into a JV with Anil Ambani’s company. Because the Indian govt. forced Dassault to deal with Ambani. We know this because the French President literally said so. “We did not have a say in this,” Mediapart quoted Mr Hollande saying. “It was the Indian government that proposed this service group, and Dassault negotiated with Ambani. We did not have a choice. We took the interlocutor that was given to us.” https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-proposed-reliance-for-rafale-deal-claims-former-french-president-hollande/videoshow/65903359.cms https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-p... https://www.ft.com/content/4e95c46c-bdb6-11e8-94b2-17176fbf93f5 https://www.ft.com/content/4e95c46c-bdb6-11e8-94b2-17176fbf9...
      - nsenifty 6y ago
        This is incorrect. You are mixing two separate (but related) things. Under the terms of the original Rafale deal[1], HAL was supposed to manufacture/assemble Rafale aircraft in India. This deal never materialized. A new deal was made under whose terms, Dassault and others were to supply 36 Rafale aircraft in fly-away condition in return to which, they were to invest 50% of the cost of the deal (or about €3.9 billion) back in India, under an offset clause. Of this €3.9 billion, €100 million was awarded [2] to Dassault Reliance Aviation limited as an offset contract to manufacture components for a passenger aircraft (Dassault Falcon 2000). This was a decision by Dassault, not the Government of India. There were about 30 offset partners among which Reliance was one. This contract was worth about 3% of the entire investment under the offset clause. So Reliance was not "chosen over" HAL. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_MRCA_competition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_MRCA_competition [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafale_deal_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafale_deal_controversy
  - webmobdev 6y ago
    True. Our current PM Modi will dance to Ambani's tune. But killing BSNL isn't so easy ... They have lakhs of employees and with the poor state of indian economy I doubt if the government would be able to afford to pay the majority a proper severance package. Not to mention the unions and strikes they will have to deal with.
    - TriNetra 6y ago
      Please don't spread propaganda of certain elite section in India about current gov just because they have lost control of India due to their own foolish policies and insatiable greed
    - newyankee 6y ago
      BSNL mismanagement is the output of decades of lethargy by successive Govts which prevented PSUs from becoming nimble. At least this Govt is trying even when it has limited fiscal options. This kind of extreme one sided scapegoating of PM to earn the approval of Western folks is highly condemnable.
      - webmobdev 6y ago
        > ... to earn the approval of Western folks is highly condemnable. ... and you too should read what you copy-pasted. ;)

sachoo 6y ago

There aren't any subscribers, so network load. Lol once you have users start popping we will see how BSNL will hold on.

webmobdev 6y ago
BSNL has excellent infrastructure but is stuck with the old Babu staff that grew up with switch-based telephony tech and due to poor training don't fully understand the newer IP-based tech to which BSNL has migrated. That's why when it all works, it works superb - but if you have any issues, then support takes its own time in BSNL because only the newer, younger generation staff actually know how to fix stuff in the new systems.

sbmthakur 6y ago

I have used broadband from MTNL (another state telecom operator) back in the day. I still rue those days.