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This is bad. One executive at Jio already confirmed they use DPI to monitor traffic on their networks, and their apps, be it their MyJio, JioTV, JioNews, etc.

by a-ve 6y ago

This is bad. One executive at Jio already confirmed they use DPI to monitor traffic on their networks, and their apps, be it their MyJio, JioTV, JioNews, etc. ask for almost every permission there is. Also, it looks like the Zuck hasn't given up on his internet.org thing yet. He failed the first time, might as well join hands with a person who literally is the Government in India. Can't switch to Idea because they were hacked by the NSA and they're about to go bankrupt, so I guess long live the Jio-Airtel duopoly!

moneywoes 6y ago
Think I missed the hacked by NSA part. Can you elaborate please?
econcon 6y ago
Yea was suprized the fact they were only boasting about their use of DPI as if it's something to be proud about. And consumers and TRAI were giving Jio clueless looks or even cheering them.
webmobdev 6y ago
There's BSNL. Their 4G services are currently better than Jio and Airtel in my city. And they provide better connectivity in rural and remote areas.
- a-ve 6y ago
  BSNL is about to go bankrupt as well. They were offered the 4G spectrum at 2016 prices but even then they couldn't pay their employees' salaries anymore so the Govt. had to step in to pay for their voluntary retirement scheme, which 78,000/50% of their employees opted for.
  - webmobdev 6y ago
    Won't happen, even if Ambani's and others are lobbying for it. BSNL is required for secure government and military communication.
    - statguy 6y ago
      and Ambani owns the govt...
      - Fiveplus 6y ago
        Ambani owns jack shit. These kind of low denominator strawmans do not lead to a healthy discussion. Please keep it to yourself or go to a community that welcomes it.
        statguy 6y ago
        I will give you a datapoint, among many. The Indian govt. recently awarded a critical contract for modernizing the Indian Air Force to a company owned by Anil Ambani who is the brother of Mukesh Ambani, owner of Jio. The Anil Ambani (who has since declared bankruptcy) company had zero experience in defence or aeronautics, yet it was chosen over India's state owned HAL which has decades of aeronautical expertise.
        ra7 6y ago
        All the petitions regarding wrongdoings in the deal were dismissed by the Supreme Court. The reason cited was that it was not the government who was responsible to choose an Indian partner for the “offset clause” of the deal, it was Dassault who entered into a JV with Anil Ambani’s company.
        _nedR 6y ago
        >The reason cited was that it was not the government who was responsible to choose an Indian partner for the “offset clause” of the deal, it was Dassault who entered into a JV with Anil Ambani’s company. Because the Indian govt. forced Dassault to deal with Ambani. We know this because the French President literally said so. “We did not have a say in this,” Mediapart quoted Mr Hollande saying. “It was the Indian government that proposed this service group, and Dassault negotiated with Ambani. We did not have a choice. We took the interlocutor that was given to us.” https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-proposed-reliance-for-rafale-deal-claims-former-french-president-hollande/videoshow/65903359.cms https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-p... https://www.ft.com/content/4e95c46c-bdb6-11e8-94b2-17176fbf93f5 https://www.ft.com/content/4e95c46c-bdb6-11e8-94b2-17176fbf9...
- sachoo 6y ago
  There aren't any subscribers, so network load. Lol once you have users start popping we will see how BSNL will hold on.
  - webmobdev 6y ago
    BSNL has excellent infrastructure but is stuck with the old Babu staff that grew up with switch-based telephony tech and due to poor training don't fully understand the newer IP-based tech to which BSNL has migrated. That's why when it all works, it works superb - but if you have any issues, then support takes its own time in BSNL because only the newer, younger generation staff actually know how to fix stuff in the new systems.
- sbmthakur 6y ago
  I have used broadband from MTNL (another state telecom operator) back in the day. I still rue those days.
searchableguy 6y ago
Airtel isn't good either. There are no real options anymore. Bsnl is terrible where I live. For a lot of people, that's a reality. They can't move.
- macewindu 6y ago
  mesh wifi?
9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago
> a person who literally is the Government in India Out of the loop: can you clarify what you mean by this?
- ra7 6y ago
  I guess they mean Mukesh Ambani, who owns Jio and is the richest person in Asia, is a powerful player in Indian politics.
  - nr152522 6y ago
    I believe Jack Ma is now the richest man in Asia. In fact, it’s probably really Ayatollah Khamenei :/
    - AsyncAwait 6y ago
      I somehow doubt Ayatollah Khamenei eclipsed the Saudis.
      - nr152522 6y ago
        Good point!
- quantummkv 6y ago
  The same old tired Illuminati/Soros/<Generic Rich Businessman owning the government> spiel repeated in all the countries across the globe.
- a-ve 6y ago
  It's mainly due to his disregard for any rules that may exist. The telecom regulator in India bent rules in favor of Jio: https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/policy/vodafone-group-ceo-terms-trai-predatory-pricing-rule-unfair/articleshow/63082025.cms https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/policy/vodafone-gro... Rs 11,000-Crore ONGC (state owned oil and gas corp) Gas Shifted to Reliance Industries Fields: https://www.ndtv.com/business/rs-11-000-crore-ongc-gas-shifted-to-reliance-industries-fields-d-m-1246122 https://www.ndtv.com/business/rs-11-000-crore-ongc-gas-shift... They literally took out full-page advertisements with Modi's image on it: https://thewire.in/economy/modi-reliance-jio-advertisement https://thewire.in/economy/modi-reliance-jio-advertisement
murukesh_s 6y ago
>who literally is the Government in India. Don't agree with that. Ambani is a Congress (opposition party) sympathiser and openly backed their Candidate in recently concluded elections. Agreed that capitalists are above politics, but what you saying "literally is the Government in India" is over enthusiastic and generic without bringing substantial reference. Remember his brother is almost bankrupt despite support from current and previous Governments. And BJP, the ruling party have made several rival entrepreneurs their patrons (Adani). Also since the economy grew substantially in modern times and donations are much more widely spread out, the political parties are not answerable to few handful Capitalists who have their own way unlike in the 80's politics. Ultra rich may have their say in policy decisions (lobbying), but it's an overkill to state they run the country. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/maharashtra/tale-of-two-ambanis-mukesh-ambani-backs-congress-milind-deora-son-anant-attends-narendra-modis-rally/articleshow/69062073.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabh...
tushar-r 6y ago
>One executive at Jio already confirmed they use DPI to monitor traffic on their networks, Most ISP's worldwide do this, with varying levels of competency. Some provide the data for advertising, others use it for providing specific features/packs/traffic control. Not excusing Jio, but I'm quite certain AirTel does this too (they had Sandvine many years ago), and other ISP's have trialed this technology in India as well.

by a-ve 6y ago

moneywoes 6y ago

Think I missed the hacked by NSA part. Can you elaborate please?

econcon 6y ago

Yea was suprized the fact they were only boasting about their use of DPI as if it's something to be proud about. And consumers and TRAI were giving Jio clueless looks or even cheering them.

webmobdev 6y ago

There's BSNL. Their 4G services are currently better than Jio and Airtel in my city. And they provide better connectivity in rural and remote areas.

a-ve 6y ago
BSNL is about to go bankrupt as well. They were offered the 4G spectrum at 2016 prices but even then they couldn't pay their employees' salaries anymore so the Govt. had to step in to pay for their voluntary retirement scheme, which 78,000/50% of their employees opted for.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  Won't happen, even if Ambani's and others are lobbying for it. BSNL is required for secure government and military communication.
  - statguy 6y ago
    and Ambani owns the govt...
    - Fiveplus 6y ago
      Ambani owns jack shit. These kind of low denominator strawmans do not lead to a healthy discussion. Please keep it to yourself or go to a community that welcomes it.
      - statguy 6y ago
        I will give you a datapoint, among many. The Indian govt. recently awarded a critical contract for modernizing the Indian Air Force to a company owned by Anil Ambani who is the brother of Mukesh Ambani, owner of Jio. The Anil Ambani (who has since declared bankruptcy) company had zero experience in defence or aeronautics, yet it was chosen over India's state owned HAL which has decades of aeronautical expertise.
        ra7 6y ago
        All the petitions regarding wrongdoings in the deal were dismissed by the Supreme Court. The reason cited was that it was not the government who was responsible to choose an Indian partner for the “offset clause” of the deal, it was Dassault who entered into a JV with Anil Ambani’s company.
        _nedR 6y ago
        >The reason cited was that it was not the government who was responsible to choose an Indian partner for the “offset clause” of the deal, it was Dassault who entered into a JV with Anil Ambani’s company. Because the Indian govt. forced Dassault to deal with Ambani. We know this because the French President literally said so. “We did not have a say in this,” Mediapart quoted Mr Hollande saying. “It was the Indian government that proposed this service group, and Dassault negotiated with Ambani. We did not have a choice. We took the interlocutor that was given to us.” https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-proposed-reliance-for-rafale-deal-claims-former-french-president-hollande/videoshow/65903359.cms https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-p... https://www.ft.com/content/4e95c46c-bdb6-11e8-94b2-17176fbf93f5 https://www.ft.com/content/4e95c46c-bdb6-11e8-94b2-17176fbf9...
sachoo 6y ago
There aren't any subscribers, so network load. Lol once you have users start popping we will see how BSNL will hold on.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  BSNL has excellent infrastructure but is stuck with the old Babu staff that grew up with switch-based telephony tech and due to poor training don't fully understand the newer IP-based tech to which BSNL has migrated. That's why when it all works, it works superb - but if you have any issues, then support takes its own time in BSNL because only the newer, younger generation staff actually know how to fix stuff in the new systems.
sbmthakur 6y ago
I have used broadband from MTNL (another state telecom operator) back in the day. I still rue those days.

searchableguy 6y ago

Airtel isn't good either. There are no real options anymore. Bsnl is terrible where I live. For a lot of people, that's a reality. They can't move.

macewindu 6y ago
mesh wifi?

9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago

> a person who literally is the Government in India Out of the loop: can you clarify what you mean by this?

ra7 6y ago
I guess they mean Mukesh Ambani, who owns Jio and is the richest person in Asia, is a powerful player in Indian politics.
- nr152522 6y ago
  I believe Jack Ma is now the richest man in Asia. In fact, it’s probably really Ayatollah Khamenei :/
  - AsyncAwait 6y ago
    I somehow doubt Ayatollah Khamenei eclipsed the Saudis.
    - nr152522 6y ago
      Good point!
quantummkv 6y ago
The same old tired Illuminati/Soros/<Generic Rich Businessman owning the government> spiel repeated in all the countries across the globe.
a-ve 6y ago
It's mainly due to his disregard for any rules that may exist. The telecom regulator in India bent rules in favor of Jio: https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/policy/vodafone-group-ceo-terms-trai-predatory-pricing-rule-unfair/articleshow/63082025.cms https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/policy/vodafone-gro... Rs 11,000-Crore ONGC (state owned oil and gas corp) Gas Shifted to Reliance Industries Fields: https://www.ndtv.com/business/rs-11-000-crore-ongc-gas-shifted-to-reliance-industries-fields-d-m-1246122 https://www.ndtv.com/business/rs-11-000-crore-ongc-gas-shift... They literally took out full-page advertisements with Modi's image on it: https://thewire.in/economy/modi-reliance-jio-advertisement https://thewire.in/economy/modi-reliance-jio-advertisement

murukesh_s 6y ago

>who literally is the Government in India. Don't agree with that. Ambani is a Congress (opposition party) sympathiser and openly backed their Candidate in recently concluded elections. Agreed that capitalists are above politics, but what you saying "literally is the Government in India" is over enthusiastic and generic without bringing substantial reference. Remember his brother is almost bankrupt despite support from current and previous Governments. And BJP, the ruling party have made several rival entrepreneurs their patrons (Adani). Also since the economy grew substantially in modern times and donations are much more widely spread out, the political parties are not answerable to few handful Capitalists who have their own way unlike in the 80's politics. Ultra rich may have their say in policy decisions (lobbying), but it's an overkill to state they run the country. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/maharashtra/tale-of-two-ambanis-mukesh-ambani-backs-congress-milind-deora-son-anant-attends-narendra-modis-rally/articleshow/69062073.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabh...

tushar-r 6y ago

>One executive at Jio already confirmed they use DPI to monitor traffic on their networks, Most ISP's worldwide do this, with varying levels of competency. Some provide the data for advertising, others use it for providing specific features/packs/traffic control. Not excusing Jio, but I'm quite certain AirTel does this too (they had Sandvine many years ago), and other ISP's have trialed this technology in India as well.